(11-06-2020, 02:05 PM)JackCity Wrote: I don't know how you watched the primary and didn't see the Democrats banding together to crush Bernie's progressive movement and put forward an easily controllable centerist in an attempt to steal moderate votes (didn't work, again!) 

That's why I very specifically said 'career'. Bidens entire career has been a right leaning Democrat. Him and Obama ramped up deporting immigrants as much as they could, they helped militarize the police as much as they could. And attacked abroad in the name of imperialism with impunity. 

I've always said what's hilarious about Obama is that he never gets any critique for all the terrible stuff he did from the Democrats because they seem him as a celebrity but also conservatives are so focused on him being terrible they forget they actually philosophically support lots of the awful things he did. 

You may be surprised to learn that actual left wing Americans do not consider the Democrats an even slightly left wing party. They despise Pelosi , Schumer, Biden, Obama etc etc for being corporate shills who's only existence is too keep true progression from happening

The primaries were directed at the progressives. He tried to back away from that agenda after he became the nominee. Everything they said and did was not moderate even after he tried to distance himself from the progressives. Gun control, health care, energy, everything... all way left of center. Biden from the 70s, 80s, and 90s is not the Biden from the 2010s. This isn't even the Biden from 2008. 

Militarization of police is nothing more than buzzwords. They provided armored vehicles used almost exclusively in hostage scenarios or the like. The police otherwise have the same access to weapons and equipment that most people have access to. I'm not going to distract from the main conversation here, but the equipment they have does not militarize them. People just don't like the way it looks.

Obama did ramp up deportations. They also allowed more to come and stay. There was a net positive with illegal immigration under Obama than Trump. Even if I conceded this issued to you, I don't know how that makes them right of center.

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