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Justice Department updates rule, clears way for execution by firing squad

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(12-01-2020, 09:50 PM)mikesez Wrote: I think firing squad is fine.
Hanging is fine too.
Both are quick with a little but not much pain and little chance of screw-ups.
I don't see the point of lethal injection, I never did.  Asking doctors to be involved, when they swore to do no harm.  And the whole idea that pain should be eliminated or else it's cruel, I don't agree.  Excessive pain is cruel.  A few moments of pain as part of avoiding a botched execution is not.
Anyhow, if SCOTUS really thinks we have to eliminate uncertainty and pain, there is a simple and foolproof way to ensure someone dies without feeling any pain: inert gas. The human body has a pain reflex to the absence of air, inability to inhale or exhale, and extreme concentrations of certain gases like CO2. It has no pain reflex to the absence of oxygen.  So if you just put someone in a nitrogen-argon mix, they will faint and lose consciousness in seconds and be brain dead within minutes, all without any stress at all.

I'm personally thankful for every single moment of pain Ted Bundy felt as he fried in the electric chair. That man did some serious psychological damage to a lot of teenage girls in Lake City back in the day. I remember my first day of 7th grade. It was at the school he took Kimberly Leach from. We had an assembly meeting and the principal explained to us how she had been abducted (but no details of her demise, we learned that later) and that we were to never, ever walk around alone and definitely never, ever get in a vehicle with a stranger. 

That man deserved to feel every volt of electricity for every girl he abducted, tortured, raped and murdered; and for those of us who had to live in the wake of his crimes.
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(This post was last modified: 12-03-2020, 08:08 AM by homebiscuit.)

(12-03-2020, 12:51 AM)americus 2.0 Wrote:
(12-01-2020, 09:50 PM)mikesez Wrote: I think firing squad is fine.
Hanging is fine too.
Both are quick with a little but not much pain and little chance of screw-ups.
I don't see the point of lethal injection, I never did.  Asking doctors to be involved, when they swore to do no harm.  And the whole idea that pain should be eliminated or else it's cruel, I don't agree.  Excessive pain is cruel.  A few moments of pain as part of avoiding a botched execution is not.
Anyhow, if SCOTUS really thinks we have to eliminate uncertainty and pain, there is a simple and foolproof way to ensure someone dies without feeling any pain: inert gas. The human body has a pain reflex to the absence of air, inability to inhale or exhale, and extreme concentrations of certain gases like CO2. It has no pain reflex to the absence of oxygen.  So if you just put someone in a nitrogen-argon mix, they will faint and lose consciousness in seconds and be brain dead within minutes, all without any stress at all.

I'm personally thankful for every single moment of pain Ted Bundy felt as he fried in the electric chair. That man did some serious psychological damage to a lot of teenage girls in Lake City back in the day. I remember my first day of 7th grade. It was at the school he took Kimberly Leach from. We had an assembly meeting and the principal explained to us how she had been abducted (but no details of her demise, we learned that later) and that we were to never, ever walk around alone and definitely never, ever get in a vehicle with a stranger. 

That man deserved to feel every volt of electricity for every girl he abducted, tortured, raped and murdered; and for those of us who had to live in the wake of his crimes.

I met a guy years ago who was a retired corrections officer and worked death row at Florida State Prison. He was one of the guards who escorted Bundy from his cell to the execution chamber. According to him, Bundy was a sobbing mess that had to be practically carried out.
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(This post was last modified: 12-03-2020, 09:25 AM by mikesez.)

(12-03-2020, 12:51 AM)americus 2.0 Wrote:
(12-01-2020, 09:50 PM)mikesez Wrote: I think firing squad is fine.
Hanging is fine too.
Both are quick with a little but not much pain and little chance of screw-ups.
I don't see the point of lethal injection, I never did.  Asking doctors to be involved, when they swore to do no harm.  And the whole idea that pain should be eliminated or else it's cruel, I don't agree.  Excessive pain is cruel.  A few moments of pain as part of avoiding a botched execution is not.
Anyhow, if SCOTUS really thinks we have to eliminate uncertainty and pain, there is a simple and foolproof way to ensure someone dies without feeling any pain: inert gas. The human body has a pain reflex to the absence of air, inability to inhale or exhale, and extreme concentrations of certain gases like CO2. It has no pain reflex to the absence of oxygen.  So if you just put someone in a nitrogen-argon mix, they will faint and lose consciousness in seconds and be brain dead within minutes, all without any stress at all.

I'm personally thankful for every single moment of pain Ted Bundy felt as he fried in the electric chair. That man did some serious psychological damage to a lot of teenage girls in Lake City back in the day. I remember my first day of 7th grade. It was at the school he took Kimberly Leach from. We had an assembly meeting and the principal explained to us how she had been abducted (but no details of her demise, we learned that later) and that we were to never, ever walk around alone and definitely never, ever get in a vehicle with a stranger. 

That man deserved to feel every volt of electricity for every girl he abducted, tortured, raped and murdered; and for those of us who had to live in the wake of his crimes.

I agree that any murderer *deserves* to feel all the pain that they imposed on their victims, I just don't think any other mortal is qualified to give out that type of punishment.

(12-03-2020, 08:07 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: I met a guy years ago who was a retired corrections officer and worked death row at Florida State Prison. He was one of the guards who escorted Bundy from his cell to the execution chamber. According to him, Bundy was a sobbing mess that had to be practically carried out.

I like stories like this.
I am convinced that the dread of your impending execution, the knowledge that men will surround you and restrain you with the intent to kill you, and then the process of getting tied down, are all worse than the physical pain of any of the execution methods American governments have devised.
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