(12-17-2020, 06:36 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:

(12-17-2020, 01:40 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: Dawg. Schemes don’t matter for translating to NFL success. If they did, anyone coming from the air raid or spread offenses wouldn’t work. QBs come from all sorts of colleges and schemes.

Look at how many spread QBs have succeeded when just a few years ago, people said they won’t last. 

This “pro style translates better” may have worked a while ago but look at how many NFL offenses have drastically changed their offense to fit today’s college QBs.

It does matter. If it doesn't matter, where are all the triple option QB's in the NFL? As far as the air raid offense, maybe at one time it was considered gimmicky, but now NFL teams are running their own variations of it and it's becoming fairly normal. As the NFL adopts certain schemes the stigma on them goes away, but there are still college schemes that teams run, which basically limit any progression a QB may show as a passer. NFL teams stay away from QB's who are in such schemes, so it does matter when translating to the NFL. You're stuck on the air raid or spread offenses and those two are commonplace in the NFL now. You still have to go through your progressions as a passer in those schemes. They aren't one read offenses.

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(12-17-2020, 02:13 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: My whole point is that QBs come from everywhere. All different schools, offenses, schemes, height, arm strength..... so ultimately, none of that really matters because if we knew the answer as to which one worked in the NFL, teams wouldn’t miss so often on QBs.

And honestly, none of this matters if we don’t get the right HC or OC next year. Wilson or Fiels.... it won’t matter. They need to be set up for success.

Not from triple option schemes.

Do you honestly think a coach would force a QB who could throw to play triple option? I've been exposed to plenty triple option offenses while I was in school, and I promise you when the QB put one up, you understood why the coach called for so many sweeps right.

But, sure, you're right, guys that weren't good enough to throw 30 times a game in college aren't throwing 30 times a game in the pros.

I think Mahomes was the first guy that made me understand spread/air raid QBs are no longer gimmicks, or better said, not necessarily gimmicks. Back in the day it was scheme to hide flaw. Overload the passing lanes, and for sure the opposing teams won't have 5 consistently good cover men each down, right? QB doesn't have a cannon for an arm, so quick read and dump, let the RB/WR/TE beat a guy one-on-one in the open field instead. Now, we're seeing actually talented QBs seeking out those programs, and you can't just dismiss the player based on the scheme they're in. Look back to Rodgers - Tedford QBs failed so badly in the NFL multiple times, that teams shied away from him, fearing that he was more product of scheme than actual talent.

I gotta agree with Cleatwood, evaluate the player, not the offense. If the guy can make all the passes, take him. If he's only good at slants and screens, shelf him for later, or let someone else overdraft them. How many good QB have stonehanded WR dropping perfect throws? Is the guy a product of the system, or is he capable of running other systems, too? At this point, just about anyone they take is going to be an improvement. A lot of us dismissed guys like Mahomes, and were wrong. What's to say we're not wrong again in our amateur evaluations?

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