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Jaguars coaching candidates? (merged coaching threads)

#61

(12-27-2020, 04:36 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(12-27-2020, 04:31 PM)hb1148 Wrote: He was at Ohio State for 7 years. The last four years he went 12-1, 11-2, 12-2, 10-1 and was 3-1 in bowl games. Are you really trying to say that he was playing with someone else's players then? He was at Florida for 6 years, the last 3 he went 13-1, 13-1 before having his worst season where he still won 8 games and went 7-1 in bowl games. Are you saying that was someone else's team? Need to bring a better argument dude.



Guy has a .854 lifetime coaching record. Are you really saying we should aspire higher? Ok, sure but it's going to be really hard to find that guy.

That's college. Way different than the pros. In the NFL, it's a totally different animal. You will be dealing with hard headed adults and giant egos. For a coach with high blood pressure, migraines and other health issues, coming to the NFL is not a good idea.

I get that. And I have some reservations about the dude. But I think it was you who pointed out in reference to Trevor Lawrence that all we can go on is what we project about the guy.
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#62

(12-27-2020, 04:31 PM)hb1148 Wrote:
(12-27-2020, 04:01 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: A history of building successfull programs?  No lol, they are already built when he gets there, he wins and leaves.  He won those championships with other coaches recruits not his.

He was at Ohio State for 7 years. The last four years he went 12-1, 11-2, 12-2, 10-1 and was 3-1 in bowl games. Are you really trying to say that he was playing with someone else's players then? He was at Florida for 6 years, the last 3 he went 13-1, 13-1 before having his worst season where he still won 8 games and went 7-1 in bowl games. Are you saying that was someone else's team? Need to bring a better argument dude.

(12-27-2020, 04:07 PM)Upper Wrote: Could do worse is definitely the mindset we should have when we go into the offseason owning the #1 pick with a generational talent available, 11 total draft picks, and a ton of cap space and literally everyone is saying we are the top destination for a GM and HC.

Have some standards my dude.

(12-27-2020, 04:13 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: Exactly. The goal should be for Jacksonville to be another Green Bay or Pittsburgh in 10 years, somewhere the NFL can't possibly leave because it's won 2-3 Superbowls and it's now the kind of team people that don't care about football buy licensed stuff from.

We don't need to take a flyer on someone like Meyer.

Guy has a .854 lifetime coaching record. Are you really saying we should aspire higher? Ok, sure but it's going to be really hard to find that guy.

 Why would we care about his college record?
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#63

(12-27-2020, 04:41 PM)SeldomRite Wrote:
(12-27-2020, 04:31 PM)hb1148 Wrote: He was at Ohio State for 7 years. The last four years he went 12-1, 11-2, 12-2, 10-1 and was 3-1 in bowl games. Are you really trying to say that he was playing with someone else's players then? He was at Florida for 6 years, the last 3 he went 13-1, 13-1 before having his worst season where he still won 8 games and went 7-1 in bowl games. Are you saying that was someone else's team? Need to bring a better argument dude.



Guy has a .854 lifetime coaching record. Are you really saying we should aspire higher? Ok, sure but it's going to be really hard to find that guy.

 Why would we care about his college record?

It's the only thing we have to go on. Same reason we should take Trevor Lawrence's college record into account.
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#64

(12-27-2020, 04:42 PM)hb1148 Wrote:
(12-27-2020, 04:41 PM)SeldomRite Wrote:  Why would we care about his college record?

It's the only thing we have to go on. Same reason we should take Trevor Lawrence's college record into account.

I don't care about Lawrence's college record either, I care about his abilities as a player.
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#65

(12-27-2020, 04:44 PM)SeldomRite Wrote:
(12-27-2020, 04:42 PM)hb1148 Wrote: It's the only thing we have to go on. Same reason we should take Trevor Lawrence's college record into account.

I don't care about Lawrence's college record either, I care about his abilities as a player.

But you project his abilities as a player in the NFL based on his performance as a player in the NCAA, right? What else are you gonna go on?
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(12-27-2020, 04:47 PM)hb1148 Wrote:
(12-27-2020, 04:44 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: I don't care about Lawrence's college record either, I care about his abilities as a player.

But you project his abilities as a player in the NFL based on his performance as a player in the NCAA, right? What else are you gonna go on?

Sure, I care about how well he recognizes coverage and throws guys open. I'm not sure what the analogue is for college head coaches, but I don't think it's record, because winning in college is nothing like winning in the NFL.
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#67

(12-27-2020, 04:31 PM)hb1148 Wrote:
(12-27-2020, 04:01 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: A history of building successfull programs?  No lol, they are already built when he gets there, he wins and leaves.  He won those championships with other coaches recruits not his.

He was at Ohio State for 7 years. The last four years he went 12-1, 11-2, 12-2, 10-1 and was 3-1 in bowl games. Are you really trying to say that he was playing with someone else's players then? He was at Florida for 6 years, the last 3 he went 13-1, 13-1 before having his worst season where he still won 8 games and went 7-1 in bowl games. Are you saying that was someone else's team? Need to bring a better argument dude.

(12-27-2020, 04:07 PM)Upper Wrote: Could do worse is definitely the mindset we should have when we go into the offseason owning the #1 pick with a generational talent available, 11 total draft picks, and a ton of cap space and literally everyone is saying we are the top destination for a GM and HC.

Have some standards my dude.

(12-27-2020, 04:13 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: Exactly. The goal should be for Jacksonville to be another Green Bay or Pittsburgh in 10 years, somewhere the NFL can't possibly leave because it's won 2-3 Superbowls and it's now the kind of team people that don't care about football buy licensed stuff from.

We don't need to take a flyer on someone like Meyer.

Guy has a .854 lifetime coaching record. Are you really saying we should aspire higher? Ok, sure but it's going to be really hard to find that guy.

He got to Florida in 05 and won the Championship in 06 and 08.  He won with Ron Zook recruits.  He got to Ohio St in 12 and won in 14
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#68

(12-27-2020, 04:52 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(12-27-2020, 04:31 PM)hb1148 Wrote: He was at Ohio State for 7 years. The last four years he went 12-1, 11-2, 12-2, 10-1 and was 3-1 in bowl games. Are you really trying to say that he was playing with someone else's players then? He was at Florida for 6 years, the last 3 he went 13-1, 13-1 before having his worst season where he still won 8 games and went 7-1 in bowl games. Are you saying that was someone else's team? Need to bring a better argument dude.



Guy has a .854 lifetime coaching record. Are you really saying we should aspire higher? Ok, sure but it's going to be really hard to find that guy.

He got to Florida in 05 and won the Championship in 06 and 08.  He won with Ron Zook recruits.  He got to Ohio St in 12 and won in 14

And he kept winning after that in both cases but spin it however you think you need to.
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#69

(12-27-2020, 04:54 PM)hb1148 Wrote:
(12-27-2020, 04:52 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: He got to Florida in 05 and won the Championship in 06 and 08.  He won with Ron Zook recruits.  He got to Ohio St in 12 and won in 14

And he kept winning after that in both cases but spin it however you think you need to.

Both of those teams are winning now without him
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(12-27-2020, 05:08 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(12-27-2020, 04:54 PM)hb1148 Wrote: And he kept winning after that in both cases but spin it however you think you need to.

Both of those teams are winning now without him

Well Ohio State still has his players as you pointed out, give them a couple more years to see. Florida has recovered since Mullin came on board but had some really down years after Meyer left, 4-8, 4-7 etc.
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#71

(12-27-2020, 04:31 PM)hb1148 Wrote: Guy has a .854 lifetime coaching record. Are you really saying we should aspire higher? Ok, sure but it's going to be really hard to find that guy.

My Upwards basketball team went undefeated last year. Can't wait to coach the Knicks next year!
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#72

(12-27-2020, 05:14 PM)Upper Wrote:
(12-27-2020, 04:31 PM)hb1148 Wrote: Guy has a .854 lifetime coaching record. Are you really saying we should aspire higher? Ok, sure but it's going to be really hard to find that guy.

My Upwards basketball team went undefeated last year. Can't wait to coach the Knicks next year!

I threw 4 TDs in a flag football league 30 years ago. Why draft Trevor when I'm available?
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#73

C'mon guys, his resume is impressive even if we don't want him here.
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#74

Nope Nope Nope!!!!!

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#75

(12-27-2020, 05:20 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: C'mon guys, his resume is impressive even if we don't want him here.

It's a college resume, that means nothing when it comes to NFL coaching.
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#76

(12-27-2020, 05:36 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(12-27-2020, 05:20 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: C'mon guys, his resume is impressive even if we don't want him here.

It's a college resume, that means nothing when it comes to NFL coaching.

Pants on head dumb.
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#77

(12-27-2020, 06:01 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(12-27-2020, 05:36 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: It's a college resume, that means nothing when it comes to NFL coaching.

Pants on head dumb.

By that rationale, you should never hire a college coach to an NFL coaching position. Which of course, is patently ridiculous.
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#78

Please, god no. The history of college coaches in NFL is not pretty
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#79

(12-27-2020, 06:04 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: Please, god no. The history of college coaches in NFL is not pretty

It's on and off. Tom Coughlin did pretty well in his early days. Jimmy Johnson did ok. Pete Carroll. There are others. I'm not arguing for Meyer but I'd rather have him over some crappy retread.
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(12-27-2020, 06:08 PM)hb1148 Wrote:
(12-27-2020, 06:04 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: Please, god no. The history of college coaches in NFL is not pretty

It's on and off. Tom Coughlin did pretty well in his early days. Jimmy Johnson did ok. Pete Carroll. There are others. I'm not arguing for Meyer but I'd rather have him over some crappy retread.

Yeah but TC and JJ were over 25 years ago. Carroll has done well, but he was an NFL HC before his college sabbatical.

None of the recent college coaching jumps have fared well. Ruling is still to be decided for Carolina and Matt Rhule, but it will be tough for them until they get a QB.
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