Someone’s a little snippy today.

Coffee is wearing off.

Try Redbull...I hear it gives you wings. 

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

"The second I realized our 'safe room' from the violent white supremacist mob included treasonous, white supremacist, anti masker Members of Congress who incited the mob in the first place, I exited. Furious that more of my colleagues by the day are testing positive," she tweeted on Tuesday.

'Squad' member Pressley: Republicans engaged in 'chemical warfare' by not wearing masks during Capitol riots | Fox News

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"The second I realized our 'safe room' from the violent white supremacist mob included treasonous, white supremacist, anti masker Members of Congress who incited the mob in the first place, I exited. Furious that more of my colleagues by the day are testing positive," she tweeted on Tuesday.

'Squad' member Pressley: Republicans engaged in 'chemical warfare' by not wearing masks during Capitol riots | Fox News

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

Don't take it so personal. I'm merely pointing out that popular demonization of the right should be equally applied to the left.

I don't think my post was demonizing the right, and I don't think your post about AOC was demonizing the left.  I think both posts were truthful.  But what-about-ism, even if it's truthful, does get old.  What-about-ism is just deflection.  Nothing more.

That's good, Marty, except I don't hear much criticism of the left from you and NEVER hear it equated, even in passing, to communism. But you'll throw down that 'f' word in a hot second when it comes to discussing "Trumpism".

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"The second I realized our 'safe room' from the violent white supremacist mob included treasonous, white supremacist, anti masker Members of Congress who incited the mob in the first place, I exited. Furious that more of my colleagues by the day are testing positive," she tweeted on Tuesday.

'Squad' member Pressley: Republicans engaged in 'chemical warfare' by not wearing masks during Capitol riots | Fox News

She's a stone-cold racist idiot.

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I don't think my post was demonizing the right, and I don't think your post about AOC was demonizing the left.  I think both posts were truthful.  But what-about-ism, even if it's truthful, does get old.  What-about-ism is just deflection.  Nothing more.

That's good, Marty, except I don't hear much criticism of the left from you and NEVER hear it equated, even in passing, to communism. But you'll throw down that 'f' word in a hot second when it comes to discussing "Trumpism".

I think you need to re-read what I wrote.  I literally, in the last 20 minutes, criticized the left, and said Trumpism is not equal to fascism.

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That's good, Marty, except I don't hear much criticism of the left from you and NEVER hear it equated, even in passing, to communism. But you'll throw down that 'f' word in a hot second when it comes to discussing "Trumpism".

I think you need to re-read what I wrote.  I literally, in the last 20 minutes, criticized the left, and said Trumpism is not equal to fascism.

Yet...

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

I think you need to re-read what I wrote.  I literally, in the last 20 minutes, criticized the left, and said Trumpism is not equal to fascism.

Yet...

The left in the United States is not equal to communism yet, and the right in the United States is not equal to fascism yet.  Although there are very small minorities on the extremes that might fit those terms.  

How's that? 

The thread topic is the assault on the Capitol building by Trump supporters.  I was responding to a post about whether Trumpism resembles fascism, and parallels with 1920s Germany.   "What about AOC?" is just an attempt to jump the rails and turn the spotlight onto the idiots at the other extreme.

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That's good, Marty, except I don't hear much criticism of the left from you and NEVER hear it equated, even in passing, to communism. But you'll throw down that 'f' word in a hot second when it comes to discussing "Trumpism".

I think you need to re-read what I wrote.  I literally, in the last 20 minutes, criticized the left, and said Trumpism is not equal to fascism.

But you have no problem making these oblique comparisons to Trump and his supporters to Nazi Germany and how it approaches fascism. Yet, YET, there's a leftist Congresswoman, a person in real power, making threats to form 'truth commissions' and you're willing to dismiss it because Trump's supporters don't rise to the level of fascism. 

Can we get a Marty analysis of how leftist supporters compare to the Soviet Union but are not quite communists?

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All of what I said there is true. I'm cool with you adding to it, but I don't want it to appear like I was giving out false information. I agree that there are echoes of 1920's Germany here, but we are neglecting to actually look at cause and effect. People elected Trump because they can feel that the left is fundamentally trying to destroy their national identity. You are completely disregarding the role democrats are playing in their own negative public opinion. This movement isn't just happening in a vacuum, dude. It drives me nuts that we constantly have to debate issues within parameters defined by the left.

To your point, I think the stab-in-the-back myth has more validity than that wiki article leads you to believe. There's a LOT left out of that article you linked. There are so many moving pieces to history, it's hard to pin everything down. Again, I don't really feel like typing out an essay, but that article barely mentions the Balfour Agreement, which was a MAJOR part of the German zeitgeist leading up to WW2. They believed that the Zionists offered Great Britain their considerable influence and money in exchange for the promise that they would receive Palestine. Shortly after the agreement, the US got involved in the war, which ultimately lead to their defeat. Whether or not it was a direct result of the Balfour Agreement is unclear, but the Jews did have considerable influence in the financial and political institutions in America. Don't get me wrong, I am not defending Hitler. Just want to state that, since, you know... that's a thing now.

Comparing that sentiment in Germany to the Democrats stealing the election is a stretch. We're not talking about 20 years of myth building here. But people believe Democrats stole the election because literally EVERY single thing they do with regards to our voting systems removes honesty and transparency. Why? Because it makes it easier to cheat. Can we prove it? Nope. Doesn't change my opinion. Not going to go back into the statistical improbabilities surrounding this election, but I'll say this: Even if Trump was shouting from the rooftops that he lost the election fairly, I wouldn't believe it. It's insulting that you think I need a person to tell me what to believe. I think most conservatives feel the same way, but I won't speak for them.

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Coffee is wearing off.

Try Redbull...I hear it gives you wings. 

So does Always, and probably more apt.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The last weekend of president trump until 2024  

Oh my. Exciting times

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The last weekend of president trump until 2024. ?

Trump isn’t happening again. However, he’s going to be a major disrupter of the left for the next four years. 

I expect him to be behind a movement to fund alternate media with its own infrastructure. He knows plenty of other wealthy people who would be more than glad to pull the rug out from under big tech.

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The last weekend of president trump until 2024. ?

Trump isn’t happening again. However, he’s going to be a major disrupter of the left for the next four years. 

I expect him to be behind a movement to fund alternate media with its own infrastructure. He knows plenty of other wealthy people who would be more than glad to pull the rug out from under big tech.

Well, he's got the MyPillow guy.  

MyPillow Guy Pushes Martial Law At White House

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Trump isn’t happening again. However, he’s going to be a major disrupter of the left for the next four years. 

I expect him to be behind a movement to fund alternate media with its own infrastructure. He knows plenty of other wealthy people who would be more than glad to pull the rug out from under big tech.

Well, he's got the MyPillow guy.  

MyPillow Guy Pushes Martial Law At White House

I bet you despise small business owners who have overcome drug addiction to be successful the same way you despise old people.

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Trump isn’t happening again. However, he’s going to be a major disrupter of the left for the next four years. 

I expect him to be behind a movement to fund alternate media with its own infrastructure. He knows plenty of other wealthy people who would be more than glad to pull the rug out from under big tech.

Well, he's got the MyPillow guy.  

MyPillow Guy Pushes Martial Law At White House

As long as it's legit, money is money.

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Did you even look up palingenetic ultranationalism?  If not, please do so, then explain to me how it differs from Trumpism. Really,  in any way? I will admit, you're not totally incorrect, as the left promising the voters a brighter future falls well into this sphere,  as well.

Is "Trumpism" really a thing now?

Well, it's not conservatism. So, give me a better name.

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So far, the argument is Trump isn't Nazi enough, yes? I totally agree, because Trump possess no ideology whatsoever. He's a mildly [BLEEP] grifter con man from New York (remember when cons hated people from New York?), who only understands loyalty from people as a way to strip mine it for his own gratification. The only thing he cares about is himself. It's his moronic followers that are the Nazis. They've waited for decades for the leader like Trump. The leader that played them like a fiddle. It's all so comical, really.

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Did you even look up palingenetic ultranationalism?  If not, please do so, then explain to me how it differs from Trumpism. Really,  in any way? I will admit, you're not totally incorrect, as the left promising the voters a brighter future falls well into this sphere,  as well.

I don't remember it if that was something I studied in college. Had to do a quick Wiki search. Not sure why you think that's a solid rebuttal to my argument. I have conceded that Trumpism is a nationalist movement, which in and of itself is not bad. It's only the abuse of authoritarianism that makes a nationalist movement dangerous. I don't know if I have mentioned it on this board or not, but I could easily see the Trump movement descending into fascism, under the right circumstances. However, those factors just aren't present in this nation at the moment. 

Germany was facing some of the same struggles as the US (but on a much, much greater level). Economic downturn followed by a loss of jobs, brought about by sanctions imposed by foreign nations. These factors were compounded by a communist movement that was looking to remove German identity so they could replace it with their own ideology. Communists were burning national monuments and rioting in the street. This movement created the base that supported Hitler. They needed a person who would stand up to the foreign nations and face the communists that were trying to tear Germany apart. The same factors are present, more or less, in modern day America, with a few MAJOR exceptions. 

Trump hasn't used any authoritarian means to address the "threat" that his base feels is subverting the nation, and he has no backing from the media, military, or corporate institutions to control the narrative he is putting forth. And, most importantly, he hasn't tried to silence the democratic party. If Trump had gained that backing and used a military coup to attack his detractors and silence them, we would be living in a fascist government. But he didn't. That said, I do think there would be a significant amount of his supporters that would either condone or be sympathetic to Trump if he carried out an authoritative action in pursuit of pushing back against the progressive movement in this country, which is scary. 

I started to go into an in-depth discussion of NAZI Germany, but I don't have time to sit here and write a giant history lesson. The left in this country are far more like NAZI Germany, because they married to corporate America, have complete control of the narrative, and are taking actions to become a single party state. The sole exception is that they aren't nationalists. So,  you can talk about palngenetic ultranationalism all  you want. It doesn't change what I said. One side is significantly more authoritarian, and it ain't the right.

That Trump has failed at fascism doesn't mean his intent isn't toward it. Firstly, he's incompetent and lazy. Secondy, he's unprincipled. Thirdly, he's hampered by our system of checks and balances. But make no mistake, he'll play a set of grievances he feels his hillbilly fan base will relate to. He cares not for them or their issues, but he will play their hero. It's like if a moron tries fascism. Wait, it's not remotely like that it, it's exactly that.

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Really, all of this is boiled down to this. The following is how we have ended up at this moment.

Frontier wars, Indian Wars, slave revolts, tax uprisings, whisky rebellions, slave patrols, Jim Crow, Alien and Sedition Acts, wars of conquest as continuation of the Indian Wars, purity movements, virulent and mutated Calvinism, a Calvin-inflected hyper-Catholicism, abstinence, know-nothingism.

Tribalism and idiocy has made the above be fact since the dawn of time.

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I don't remember it if that was something I studied in college. Had to do a quick Wiki search. Not sure why you think that's a solid rebuttal to my argument. I have conceded that Trumpism is a nationalist movement, which in and of itself is not bad. It's only the abuse of authoritarianism that makes a nationalist movement dangerous. I don't know if I have mentioned it on this board or not, but I could easily see the Trump movement descending into fascism, under the right circumstances. However, those factors just aren't present in this nation at the moment. 

Germany was facing some of the same struggles as the US (but on a much, much greater level). Economic downturn followed by a loss of jobs, brought about by sanctions imposed by foreign nations. These factors were compounded by a communist movement that was looking to remove German identity so they could replace it with their own ideology. Communists were burning national monuments and rioting in the street. This movement created the base that supported Hitler. They needed a person who would stand up to the foreign nations and face the communists that were trying to tear Germany apart. The same factors are present, more or less, in modern day America, with a few MAJOR exceptions. 

Trump hasn't used any authoritarian means to address the "threat" that his base feels is subverting the nation, and he has no backing from the media, military, or corporate institutions to control the narrative he is putting forth. And, most importantly, he hasn't tried to silence the democratic party. If Trump had gained that backing and used a military coup to attack his detractors and silence them, we would be living in a fascist government. But he didn't. That said, I do think there would be a significant amount of his supporters that would either condone or be sympathetic to Trump if he carried out an authoritative action in pursuit of pushing back against the progressive movement in this country, which is scary. 

I started to go into an in-depth discussion of NAZI Germany, but I don't have time to sit here and write a giant history lesson. The left in this country are far more like NAZI Germany, because they married to corporate America, have complete control of the narrative, and are taking actions to become a single party state. The sole exception is that they aren't nationalists. So,  you can talk about palngenetic ultranationalism all  you want. It doesn't change what I said. One side is significantly more authoritarian, and it ain't the right.

That Trump has failed at fascism doesn't mean his intent isn't toward it. Firstly, he's incompetent and lazy. Secondy, he's unprincipled. Thirdly, he's hampered by our system of checks and balances. But make no mistake, he'll play a set of grievances he feels his hillbilly fan base will relate to. He cares not for them or their issues, but he will play their hero. It's like if a moron tries fascism. Wait, it's not remotely like that it, it's exactly that.

This is a terrible argument. Trump never made any fascist claims. The left just called him a fascist. Using your logic, conservatives can call Biden a Pedo, then when you point out they don't have any evidence for it, they can just say he's bad at being a pedo. That's how this works? 

I can't remember if it was posted on this board or not, but I believe a Vox piece asked scholars of fascism whether or not Trump was a fascist and almost all of them said no. Don't get me wrong, they made sure to say he was a terrible person. It's just that when people actually had to look at the facts, the accusation didn't hold up. You can believe what you want. It doesn't make your argument intelligent, though.

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