(01-08-2021, 01:32 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(01-08-2021, 01:24 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: That's fine. Jacob Blake got himself shot, too. Do you remember the conservatives on this board posting his image as a lesson to others? Or falsely memorializing him to support their positions. The willingness of posters on this board to utilize a person's unfortunate death to emphasize their point is over-the-top. That lady made a choice. A bad choice. What's that got to do with the posters here?

In anticipation of your response, I will say this: Trump is not responsible for her death in the same way Bernie Sanders wasn't when one of his supporters shot up an RNC softball game, or when a BLM supporter shot 4 police officers after Barrack Obama wouldn't tamp down his rhetoric. This stuff happens all the time, but people are responsible for their own anger. Politicians should, as a general rule, not stoke the flames. For this, I think Trump pushed too far, and he's being held accountable. But, there's a difference between directly calling for violence and stoking flames. 

Let's look at what Trump actually said:

"And after this, we're going to walk down there, and I'll be there with you, we're going to walk down ... to the Capitol and we are going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women," Trump told the crowd. "And we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them. Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that congress do the right thing, and only count the electors that have been lawfully slated. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. Today, we will see if Republicans stand strong for the integrity of our elections."

Like all things Trump, this is a poorly designed choice of words, that sends mixed messages and allows people to hear what they want to hear. He definitely stoked the flames and the people's animosity, but he did SPECIFICALLY call for a peaceful protest. He also deployed the national guard and condemned any violence once it occurred. You can think he dog whistled if you want, but, in truth, I think he was just trying to pressure Republicans to do what he felt was right, by showing them how many of their supporters thought fraud took place (I believe it would have been unconstitutional for Republicans to try to circumvent the electoral process, for the record). However, it backfired. This is Trump at his worst.

But, I think the posters here using this lady's death to shame Trump supporters is them at their worst. So, take that however you want to take it.

I blame Trump because he had a motive!
Bernie Sanders' time in office wouldn't have been extended if there were more victims at that softball practice.
Barack Obama's time in office wasn't extended when those four officers in Dallas were gunned down.  It wouldn't have been extended if that man had shot more police.  It wouldn't have been extended if that man led a mob of 1000 men through Dallas and made the cops retreat.
If those insurrectionists at the Capitol had succeeded in capturing or killing members of Congress, it could have extended Trump's time in office 


Your examples don't work.
No examples from this country work.  You have to look at Russia or Ukraine or Serbia or the Phillippines or Egypt to understand what happened on Wednesday, to understand what Trump was trying to do and why he is to blame.