(01-15-2021, 11:48 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote:

(01-15-2021, 04:45 AM)Jagsfan4life9/28/82 Wrote: Did you even look up palingenetic ultranationalism?  If not, please do so, then explain to me how it differs from Trumpism. Really,  in any way? I will admit, you're not totally incorrect, as the left promising the voters a brighter future falls well into this sphere,  as well.

I don't remember it if that was something I studied in college. Had to do a quick Wiki search. Not sure why you think that's a solid rebuttal to my argument. I have conceded that Trumpism is a nationalist movement, which in and of itself is not bad. It's only the abuse of authoritarianism that makes a nationalist movement dangerous. I don't know if I have mentioned it on this board or not, but I could easily see the Trump movement descending into fascism, under the right circumstances. However, those factors just aren't present in this nation at the moment. 

Germany was facing some of the same struggles as the US (but on a much, much greater level). Economic downturn followed by a loss of jobs, brought about by sanctions imposed by foreign nations. These factors were compounded by a communist movement that was looking to remove German identity so they could replace it with their own ideology. Communists were burning national monuments and rioting in the street. This movement created the base that supported Hitler. They needed a person who would stand up to the foreign nations and face the communists that were trying to tear Germany apart. The same factors are present, more or less, in modern day America, with a few MAJOR exceptions. 

Trump hasn't used any authoritarian means to address the "threat" that his base feels is subverting the nation, and he has no backing from the media, military, or corporate institutions to control the narrative he is putting forth. And, most importantly, he hasn't tried to silence the democratic party. If Trump had gained that backing and used a military coup to attack his detractors and silence them, we would be living in a fascist government. But he didn't. That said, I do think there would be a significant amount of his supporters that would either condone or be sympathetic to Trump if he carried out an authoritative action in pursuit of pushing back against the progressive movement in this country, which is scary. 

I started to go into an in-depth discussion of NAZI Germany, but I don't have time to sit here and write a giant history lesson. The left in this country are far more like NAZI Germany, because they married to corporate America, have complete control of the narrative, and are taking actions to become a single party state. The sole exception is that they aren't nationalists. So,  you can talk about palngenetic ultranationalism all  you want. It doesn't change what I said. One side is significantly more authoritarian, and it ain't the right.

That Trump has failed at fascism doesn't mean his intent isn't toward it. Firstly, he's incompetent and lazy. Secondy, he's unprincipled. Thirdly, he's hampered by our system of checks and balances. But make no mistake, he'll play a set of grievances he feels his hillbilly fan base will relate to. He cares not for them or their issues, but he will play their hero. It's like if a moron tries fascism. Wait, it's not remotely like that it, it's exactly that.

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