(02-13-2021, 02:56 PM)Predator Wrote:

(02-13-2021, 01:48 PM)Bullseye Wrote: There were allegations of treating players differently...and holding them to different standards based on race.  In my research I saw one allegation of him stepping on the fingers of a black player about to lift weights.  I also saw that of the 50+ players to complain/allege, not all of them were black.  I do not know if that means the non black player(s) involved were corroborating their stories, or that they were victims themselves.

General discontent?  I would urge you to read the last link I provided in this thread...the tweet from the former Iowa player telling his side.  He made it a point to express aooreciation to UI.

We can't say for sure because obviously we were never there and only have a limited insight to what was happening, but I don't think he was overtly meaning to be racist. Like the one player said it was like walking on egg shells around him, so I kind of get the impression the guy just likes being and [BLEEP]. He seems like a guy that likes pushing peoples buttons because he enjoys getting a negative reaction from people.

I think if he had thought about the connotations of some of the things he said he wouldn't have said those particular things, but I also believe in those very same situations he would have said something different that wouldn't have the racial connotations that still would have achieved the same goal of offending someone and getting the negative reaction that he seems to think is amusing.

Like I said we weren't there, but I believe there are plenty of white players who were belittled, offended, and mistreated by him who won't come out and say anything because it might end up working in the favor of a guy who they think is a complete [BLEEP].

I think Doyle has the type of ego where he looks down on people indiscriminately. I just think he is aware that certain groups of people a sensitive to certain things and he was just playing on that to make it easier to get the negative reaction he seems to get off on.

I think he could get away with it so long because he was dealing with kids and they are more likely to just go with the flow not fully understanding what was wrong with the culture because they didn't know any better.

Either way, racist or just an [BLEEP], that type of bully personality will work in a locker room full of fully mature  alpha males.

We saw how badly that can affect a locker room with Coughlin on separate occasions years apart

Conceptually we are in agreement.

What you have described is indicative of unconscious bias.  The oxymoronic phrase describes an attitude that may be without racist intent, but may have been shaped by larger societal racial influences.  Sometimes this will lead to "Disparate impact" racial discrimination, where there is no overt racial bias alleged, but the practice in question has a discriminatory effect.  Compare this to "Disparate treatment," where the behavior in question is expressly racially biased.

I think the concept of unconscious bias is part of the reason why issues of race are often so difficult reconcile.

That said, taking the allegations I have read at face value, I'm not sure Doyle's behavior falls within that spectrum of unconscious bias.  You could make the argument, as you have, that Doyle was somehow unaware of the racial significance of his statements.  To me, that claim is of dubious merit here.

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