(02-15-2021, 12:09 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: (02-15-2021, 08:21 AM)Bullseye Wrote: homebiscuit
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He was a hardass and he insulted and belittled the players he felt weren't working hard enough. By itself that just makes him a jerk but throwing in the racially tinted comments makes it intolerable.
Worse though is he apparently put 13 players in the hospital with his routine. That's not working players hard, that's indicative of someone who is downright dangerous.
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I want everyone to note that when I posted this link I made no comment whatsoever on the hiring or the allegations at Iowa. I could have posted commentary on it since the news of the hiring came out a few days ago when Meyer announced his complete coaching staff, but I didn't. I did not post any commentary on the complete coaching staff generally, in part because you guys pretty much covered it. When I posted this, I saw that nobody else started a thread on his resignation, and that was my purpose of posting this. I only posted links to the allegations when I Am Yoda asked for credible links to the allegations. So I don't want to hear anything about me having an agenda by posting this in light of my answers.
That said, the emphasized text is troublesome.
Why exactly is the hiring "unforgivable?" Has Urban Meyer lost his job because of this hiring?
No.
Despite his prior assertions to the contrary, the vetting was not as thorough as he represented. Meyer himself voluntarily acknowledged the thought process behind the hiring is less than ideal, saying "We are responsible for all aspects of our program and, in retrospect, should have given greater consideration to how his appointment may have affected all involved." It's not as though we are living in the pre internet era. The allegations were available to research for anyone so interested in learning about them. Was that a mistake? Yes. Is that unforgivable on its face? No. But to suggest the only people who would have legitimate concern about this is some sort of disgruntled employee or SJW is wrong.
Suppose a free agent is considering Jacksonville as a possible landing spot. The player has never played a down here, and has no reputation of being a malcontent elsewhere. If he is given pause to sign here because of this, it doesn't change his backstory. His desire to be treated with dignity, respect, and fairness by his employer and his reaction to something that may give indicia he won't be treated in such a manner does not, in itself, make him disgruntled or a SJW.
Also troubling is the tacit message that people subject to race based disparate treatment are somehow of flawed character for not being happy being treated inequitably, particularly on the basis of race. I do not think it of ill character that one could find the use of racial stereotype in the chastisement of players repugnant. As an ostensibly educated man working at an institution of higher learning who is tasked on some level for modeling appropriately professional behavior, he should be able to express corrective language without resorting to racial stereotype.
So if the behavior alleged to have happened by over FIFTY (50) players is true, can it readily be construed as a
"mistake?"
I'm asking strictly for the sake of clarity: Are you saying that if a player chooses not to come here in the future it is because he has legitimate concern that he will be treated with bias because of the hiring and firing of Doyle?
My purpose in offering the hypothetical is NOT to assert the franchise would/should be perpetually culpable for any fears of discrimination. It was designed to show that just because a person has concerns about possible discriminatory behavior does not make him "disgruntled" or a SJW.
For the record, there are any number of reasons why a player in the future may decide not to come here, from scheme to location to contract to desire to win to opportunity to play, etc. Considering Doyle was here for all of a day or two before he resigned, generally I think it'll be a brief blip on the radar and a minimal factor, if at all in most cases, especially over time.
But I do not dismiss from the realm of possibility that a player could look at the Doyle hiring and think Meyer may not be overly concerned with the kinds of discrimination African-Americans might face and choose not to sign here, and that thought process might steer him away. But that would have been far more likely a scenario had Doyle not tendered his resignation and been retained.
If it happens at all, it would happen this year while the controversy is "fresh."
I hope that clarifies my position.
Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
