(05-15-2021, 09:18 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: I'm at a loss, man. Can anyone explain this better than me? I don't know how else to say it. When his case was dismissed, it wasn't because there was NO evidence fraud was committed. They know that some fraud happens in every election. Trump just didn't have any certifiable evidence to PROVE that he was the rightful winner. You can't sue to overturn results if you can't prove that someone else orchestrated and succeeded in robbing you of the election. He was NEVER going to win that case. You can find me saying that 3 days after the election. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THERE WASN'T EVIDENCE. Why can't you get that through your head? It just wasn't concrete. They had zero shot of winning this in the courts. You are stopping there and saying no crime was committed. It's a [BLEEP] position to take.

There is a preponderance of evidence that suggest something fishy went down. You are talking about my bias, but we can't even get you past legal 101. Once you acknowledge that the court results are trivial to this discussion, then we can look at the preponderance of evidence. But, as long as you want to try to use the courts as proof of your positions (which they aren't and can't be), we can't even have a good-faith discussion about the election.

I'm giving up.  I have asked you twice for a specific case that fits your legal theory, analogy, whatever you want to call it, and you will not produce one.  There were 86 cases with a variety of allegations, but in every case, the allegations were too vague or speculative to meet the standard of admissible evidence.  That's why the cases were dismissed.  The judges examined the evidence, and found it to be far less than what Trump's lawyers alleged in the media.  

I can see why you want to say the courts are trivial to this discussion.  It's because Trump was 0 for 86 in the courts.  Every single case dismissed.  Mostly because the "evidence" they trumpeted in the media was not actual evidence when it was shown to a judge.  

The problem is, there were so many allegations that came from Trump supporters that were debunked, that eventually, any further allegations have no credibility.  Trump supporters are the boy that cried wolf.   Eventually, with so many allegations proven to be wrong, the default has to be, it was a clean and fair election.  Every election official, Democrats and Republicans, every law enforcement organization, every judge who had a case, said there is no evidence of election fraud.   And yet you still want me, and everyone else, to continue to rake through the results.  It's time to get on with our lives.  Biden was elected.  Every public opinion poll said he was going to be elected, and the results came out very close to what the polls had forecast.  

The problem is Trump himself.  He started this election fraud nonsense before people even started voting.  He discouraged his supporters from voting by mail, then Republican legislators forbid the counting of mail in ballots before election day, and then (exactly as I predicted) Trump declared himself the winner before the mail in ballots had been counted.  Then a day later he whined about how he was ahead on election night and about how he then "mysteriously" fell behind as the mail in ballots were counted.  I saw him say that and I was flabbergasted.  Could he really not understand why he fell behind as the mail in ballots were counted?   Why can you not see that Trump is a bald-faced liar who misled his supporters about election fraud?  It is so transparent!  He set the whole thing up!  If you can't see that, you are blind!  It's a mysterious thing, how a guy like him can go on TV and tell obvious lies for 4 straight years, and yet his supporters continue to believe him.

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