(04-27-2021, 06:58 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:

(04-27-2021, 02:19 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: I absolutely, 100% couldn't disagree more. Let's look at the current 3-4 base teams and look at their D-Lines. 

NE- Lawrence Guy, Davon Godchaux, Henry Anderson

Ari- J.J. Watt, Rashard Lawrence, Zach Allen

Balt- Derek Wolfe, Brandon Williams, Calais Campbell

Chi- Akiem Hicks, Eddie Goldman, Bilal Nichols

Den- Dre'Mont Jones, Mike Purcell, Shelby Harris

GB- Dean Lowry, Kenny Clark, Kingsley Keke

Hou- Vincent Taylor, Maliek Collins, Charles Omenihu

LAR- Michael Hoecht, Sebastian Joseph Day, Aaron Donald

Mia- Christian Wilkins, Zach Sieler, Raekwon Davis

NYG- Dexter Lawrence, Danny Shelton, Leonard Williams

Pitt- Stephon Tuitt, Tyson Alualu, Cameron Heyward

TB- Ndamukong Suh, Vita Vea, William Gholston

Tenn- Jeffrey Simmons, Teair Tart, Denico Autry


I'm not seeing a lot of star players. I see J.J. Watt, Akiem Hicks, Aaron Donald, Leonard Williams, Stephon Tuitt and Ndamukong Suh. Baltimore and Green Bay are seemingly always in the playoffs and they don't have a star D-Lineman. Denico Autry was a very good pass rusher for Indy, but he is changing systems and who knows what he will be in a 3-4 scheme? Calais Campbell was a star in a 4-3 scheme, but since moving to a 3-4 he had his lowest sack total since his rookie year. The pass rush is generated via the OLB's and the DE's and NT are there to stop the run. We have excellent run stoppers up front now. Brown is tremendous. I'm supper excited to see DaVon Hamilton in a 3-4 and we spent a lot of money on Robertson Harris. Add to that all the depth we have with Smoot, Costin and Ward and I see a very good rotation that is as good as any on this list. We can succeed with what we have now. There is no reason to believe otherwise.

It's funny you listed Tuitt but not Heyward, a guy who has been one of the best dlinman since entering the league.  Not to mention you left off a number of studs who is better than anything we have on the dline.   You are the only person on this board that thinks we are loaded on the dline.  I want a game changer up front if we are able to land one and as does Meyer unless you just think he is lying everytime he puts a emphasis on having a great dline.  You said this draft is what you think the Jags will do and then you said you passed Barmore multiple times because you think our dline is loaded.  I dont think Baalke and Meyer thinks our dline is loaded, if they felt that we wouldn't of tried to land Alualu.  Even if we were able to get Alu I still think they would of tried to upgrade the dline in the draft

Heyward is very good, but he is 31 and coming off his worst season as a pass rusher since 2016 and he has the benefit of playing opposite Tuitt. If you want to add him to the list of great 3-4 pass rushers, go ahead. It still doesn't change my argument. I don't think anyone I left out that is better than what we have. I really like DaVon Hamilton and think he's not being talked about enough. I am expecting a big year from him. Brown is a great run stuffer and we paid Robertson-Smith starter money in free agency. I also believe a scheme switch will greatly benefit Smoot and Costin in particular and Ward is experienced in the system we will run and had 3.0 sacks in 2020 as a part time player with the Ravens. We don't need a difference maker on the D-Line. The Ravens and Packers are in the playoffs almost every year and they generate their pass rush via the OLB position. 

When I say we are loaded at D-Line, I mean we have a lot of depth and we have no glaring weaknesses. I am confident going into the season that we have greatly upgraded the position. I'm way more concerned about the OLB spot. We essentially have Allen and Chaisson and no one else. Allen is coming off injury and Chaisson was a disappointment in 2020. We need at least 3 rotational players who can get to the QB. This is a weakness. 

You are placing way too much emphasis on Barmore. I don't think there is a difference making 3-4 D-Lineman in this draft. I believe you are way over-estimating how good he will be. Have you seen the recent rumors that he doesn't take too well to coaching and that they had some issues with him at Alabama? It was brought up on the draft rumors section of the board by irontrooper83. I read the same article and if it was true, I'd totally take Barmore off my board. If he refuses to be coached, he's not going to be a benefit to the team drafting him. You can't have one guy blowing his assignments, because he refuses to be coached. 

As far as buying into what Meyer and Baalke have been saying about the D-Line, I don't know who is lying and who is telling the truth this time of year. There are so many smokescreens, who knows what is true? I just know that if they follow the BAP model as I see it, this is how I believe they will draft.

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