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TheO-LineMatters · 04-27-2021, 10:30 AM

(04-27-2021, 10:17 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(04-27-2021, 09:49 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: Heyward is very good, but he is 31 and coming off his worst season as a pass rusher since 2016 and he has the benefit of playing opposite Tuitt. If you want to add him to the list of great 3-4 pass rushers, go ahead. It still doesn't change my argument. I don't think anyone I left out that is better than what we have. I really like DaVon Hamilton and think he's not being talked about enough. I am expecting a big year from him. Brown is a great run stuffer and we paid Robertson-Smith starter money in free agency. I also believe a scheme switch will greatly benefit Smoot and Costin in particular and Ward is experienced in the system we will run and had 3.0 sacks in 2020 as a part time player with the Ravens. We don't need a difference maker on the D-Line. The Ravens and Packers are in the playoffs almost every year and they generate their pass rush via the OLB position.

When I say we are loaded at D-Line, I mean we have a lot of depth and we have no glaring weaknesses. I am confident going into the season that we have greatly upgraded the position. I'm way more concerned about the OLB spot. We essentially have Allen and Chaisson and no one else. Allen is coming off injury and Chaisson was a disappointment in 2020. We need at least 3 rotational players who can get to the QB. This is a weakness.

You are placing way too much emphasis on Barmore. I don't think there is a difference making 3-4 D-Lineman in this draft. I believe you are way over-estimating how good he will be. Have you seen the recent rumors that he doesn't take too well to coaching and that they had some issues with him at Alabama? It was brought up on the draft rumors section of the board by irontrooper83. I read the same article and if it was true, I'd totally take Barmore off my board. If he refuses to be coached, he's not going to be a benefit to the team drafting him. You can't have one guy blowing his assignments, because he refuses to be coached.

As far as buying into what Meyer and Baalke have been saying about the D-Line, I don't know who is lying and who is telling the truth this time of year. There are so many smokescreens, who knows what is true? I just know that if they follow the BAP model as I see it, this is how I believe they will draft.
Lololol, Hayward has the benefit of Tuitt being on the other side is comical. Hayward has been one of the best defensive players in the league for a while now and is a better player than Tuitt lol. The only reason Tuitt's inflated sack number this year is because TJ Watt is next to him, the guy who could of easily been defensive player of the year and arguably the best pass rusher in the league . And you said star lineman not pass rusher. You listed Suh as a great pass rusher. Suh is still a good player but far from the great pass rusher he used to be.

(04-27-2021, 10:12 AM)Bullseye Wrote: Admittedly, this is not a strong DL class by any measure.

Depending upon who is left on the board at 25, Barmore may not be a reach.

That said, I would be okay with passing up Barmore at 25 if we got Alim McNeil or Tyler Shelvin later.

Shelvin is your prototypical NT, a totally different player than Barmore. McNeil as well, he has some pass rush but he is a NT as well, reminds me of Wilfork. Barmore is a different player than both

You are completely out of your mind. Tuitt is better than Heyward although both are very good.

As far as Suh, of course he is not the player he once was, but he is still among the best 3-4 pass rushers in the league.

You still have not addressed the red flag rumors with Barmore being resistant to coaching.

(04-27-2021, 10:24 AM)Bullseye Wrote:
(04-27-2021, 10:17 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:

Shelvin is your prototypical NT, a totally different player than Barmore. McNeil as well, he has some pass rush but he is a NT as well, reminds me of Wilfork. Barmore is a different player than both

I never asserted otherwise.

We are in complete agreement on this point.

I listed those guys because I think they can provide matchup advantages in a 3-4.

I don't doubt that they will be great NFL players. I just don't know where they would specifically fit on this team.