They can bring in an experienced TE if they want to, so that's irrelevant.

Have they?

And why the hell is everyone worried about what people are talking about in this thread?  What the [BLEEP] else are we going to talk about this time of year?  Should I go to the political forum LIKE YOU and argue about stupid [BLEEP] over there?  It's amazingly similar, but it's a problem if it's done here?

I've got an idea.  You don't like the topic, don't post in it.

It's all over national sports media but we can't talk about it here?  Unbelievable.

I'm just doing what everyone else is doing- posting my opinion- which is, that you guys are making way too much of this Tebow thing.  Pro and con.

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He's just one of 90 trying to make the team, I wish them all the best.  May the best man win

Better tight ends are sitting on their couches while Urbs gives his little buddy a freebie.

If there is a better TE sitting on their couch they are obviously asking for to much money or they would be on one of the 32 teams right now.  There is always a limit in what to pay a player

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I guess recognizing that it is hate and emotion which controls your thinking rather than rational thought is a halfway decent first step.  A long way to go until you're in control of yourself, though.  Keep up the work.  Baby steps.

Lol, rational thoughts were 10 years ago when they guy couldn't make it because he wasn't good enough at QB and refused to try this position change because of his ego. Mockery is what you get now Gata fan.

I didn't think my point needed any clarification but I appreciate the assist.

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Have they?

And why the hell is everyone worried about what people are talking about in this thread?  What the [BLEEP] else are we going to talk about this time of year?  Should I go to the political forum LIKE YOU and argue about stupid [BLEEP] over there?  It's amazingly similar, but it's a problem if it's done here?

I've got an idea.  You don't like the topic, don't post in it.

It's all over national sports media but we can't talk about it here?  Unbelievable.

I'm just doing what everyone else is doing- posting my opinion- which is, that you guys are making way too much of this Tebow thing.  Pro and con.

Thanks Obi-Wan.  

I shall seek guidance as to worthy threads going forward.

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Have they?

And why the hell is everyone worried about what people are talking about in this thread?  What the [BLEEP] else are we going to talk about this time of year?  Should I go to the political forum LIKE YOU and argue about stupid [BLEEP] over there?  It's amazingly similar, but it's a problem if it's done here?

I've got an idea.  You don't like the topic, don't post in it.

It's all over national sports media but we can't talk about it here?  Unbelievable.

I'm just doing what everyone else is doing- posting my opinion- which is, that you guys are making way too much of this Tebow thing.  Pro and con.

Nature of the beast, TRM. 

Another consideration here is that a large component of this discussion and its inevitable longevity is that it pertains to Urban Meyer's decision making as much as it pertains to Tim Tebow.

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Lol, rational thoughts were 10 years ago when they guy couldn't make it because he wasn't good enough at QB and refused to try this position change because of his ego. Mockery is what you get now Gata fan.

I didn't think my point needed any clarification but I appreciate the assist.

That's nice.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Urbs said he looks awkward in practice.

Calm your [BLEEP] boys, it's OTAs

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Here's takes from a SB champ and former teammate of Tebow..



And here's takes from another SB champion and likely HoFer in Robert Mathis about Tebow, especially on how players look in OTAs...



FWIW

What's funny is he said he benches 375, like that's to much strength for Tim.   Tebow was benching almost 500 in college, working out with the oline and he's even bigger and likely stronger now

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Wait until the networks start announcing "Tim Tebow and the Jaguars take on __ this Sunday". 

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Here's takes from a SB champ and former teammate of Tebow..



And here's takes from another SB champion and likely HoFer in Robert Mathis about Tebow, especially on how players look in OTAs...



FWIW

What's funny is he said he benches 375, like that's to much strength for Tim.   Tebow was benching almost 500 in college, working out with the oline and he's even bigger and likely stronger now

You know way too much about your hero, man. It's a little sad.

Explain why he can't actually use that strength in a football game.. why did that guy that weighed less than him push him all the way back into the punter? The guy looks like Tarzan and plays like Jane at the NFL level - that's just the way it is. Not a big deal and it doesn't take away from his amazing College career.

He's just not good enough.

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What's funny is he said he benches 375, like that's to much strength for Tim.   Tebow was benching almost 500 in college, working out with the oline and he's even bigger and likely stronger now

You know way too much about your hero, man. It's a little sad.

Explain why he can't actually use that strength in a football game.. why did that guy that weighed less than him push him all the way back into the punter? The guy looks like Tarzan and plays like Jane at the NFL level - that's just the way it is. Not a big deal and it doesn't take away from his amazing College career.

He's just not good enough.

That's a easy answer, footwork and hand placement. That was 1 play

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Have they?

And why the hell is everyone worried about what people are talking about in this thread?  What the [BLEEP] else are we going to talk about this time of year?  Should I go to the political forum LIKE YOU and argue about stupid [BLEEP] over there?  It's amazingly similar, but it's a problem if it's done here?

I've got an idea.  You don't like the topic, don't post in it.

It's all over national sports media but we can't talk about it here?  Unbelievable.

I'm just doing what everyone else is doing- posting my opinion- which is, that you guys are making way too much of this Tebow thing.  Pro and con.

Seems like Rico is a big closet Tebow fan. He has the most posts and views in this Tebow thread.  Watched every Tebow game in Denver.
I bet you he will continue to post in this thread while claiming he's not interested in Tebow.

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I'm just doing what everyone else is doing- posting my opinion- which is, that you guys are making way too much of this Tebow thing.  Pro and con.

Thanks Obi-Wan.  

I shall seek guidance as to worthy threads going forward.

No problem.  Let me know when you need more advice, I'm full of it I have a lot more I can give.

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I tend to take long breaks freon this board during the off season. This thread is why...

Funniest thing I've read is someone thinks Tebow is taking up a roster spot of some tight end talent currently not rostered. Every team has 90 guys right now. Tebow isnt keeping anyone on the couch that is worthy of a spot. If he makes the final 53 then, perhaps, you might have an argument of him taking up a spot. Even then.... not many 3rd or 4th string tight ends make many if any plays on Sundays. You can almost guarantee that Tebow will get some H back goal line snaps that might actually end up in points. I love how up in arms everyone is about this. I'll save my tears for when he beats out Trevor as starting QB

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Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane fits him just right.

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Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane fits him just right.

We won't know until the pads go on. When that happens, we will get our answer.

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Timmy Teebs going for 100/1400/15 this season.

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Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane fits him just right.

Tim would truck you and TrivialPursestrings

Soft [BLEEP] keyboard tough guys.

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Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane fits him just right.

Tim would truck you and TrivialPursestrings

Soft [BLEEP] keyboard tough guys.

so??? Why does that even matter?

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"Treyvon Wallet is elite run defender and better overall than Aidan Hutchinson" 11/11/23

So what did Tebow do within that time frame to make ANY team a winner?

For that matter, what did Tebow do WHEN HE WAS PLAYING-more than eight years ago to make any team a winner?  He had the one pass against cover zero to beat Pittsburgh, then got blitzed 45-10 the next week.  But make no mistake, the Denver defense carried that team.  Denver won once they moved on from Tebow.  New England won before kicking the tires on Tebow and after they shipped him off.  The Jets won the Super Bowl in 1969, and haven't won since, including when they kicked the tires on him.  In fact, they drafted at least two QBs high after getting rid of him.

Amazing.  Tebow took over for Kyle Orton when the Broncos were 1-4 (2011).  They were 4-12 the previous year and had, statistically, the worst defense in the NFL (The Broncos had the league's worst defense in 2010, allowing a league-worst 471 points (29.4 per game) and 6,253 yards.) He went 7-4 with a horrible team, became the top rushing team in the league, won the division and then went 1-1 in the playoffs.  I don’t care if you don’t like him, but I’m not about to sit back and let you rewrite verifiable history. Broncos went from losers to winners.  Sorry if that hurts feelings.

[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Denver_Broncos_season#cite_note-2][/url]

Surely you jest!

It's most interesting you should reference the defense the way you did instead of referencing the impact he made on the offense-you know...the side of the ball on which he actually played.  I would say it was an advisable strategy, were the end results not so laughable.  Please allow me to elaborate.  

First off, in 2011 under Orton, the Broncos averaged 21 ppg.  Under Tebow, Denver averaged 18.69 ppg.  In Orton's 5 starts, the Broncos scored 20 points or more 4 times.  In Tebow's 11 starts, the Broncos scored 20 points or more three times.  Under Orton, the Broncos averaged 201.8 ypg passing.  Tebow, OTOH, produced 157 YPG passing.   Orton's completion percentage was 12 points higher than Tebow's (58.7-46.5), had a higher TD % (5.2-4.4) and despite playing in less than half of the games he threw for only 4 fewer TDs than Tebow (12-8).  Orton Averaged 31 attempts per game.  Tebow had about 6.4 fewer attempts.  Keep in mind, Denver's head coach at the time was Josh McDaniels, who came from New England.  While with the Patriots, he believed in passing the football.  But he couldn't implement that philosophy with Tebow.  Tebow couldn't pass the ball effectively or consistently good.

Denver took more of a conservative approach when Tebow took over as starter.  Aside from the fewer attempts per game, the fewer yards per game, and the lower completion percentage, Denver decided to run the ball more.  Tebow added considerably to the Broncos rushing efforts.  They averaged 23.6 rushes per game under Orton, and almost 39 attempts under Tebow.  So despite the fact the QBs most important function is throwing the ball, under Tebow, the team took a decidedly more conservative approach.
 
Yes, the team played better defensively than they did the year before.  Call me crazy, but I would think that's more attributable to a guy named Von Miller, who was drafted in 2011, than it is to Tebow.  Now the defense might have felt they had to play better to compensate for Tebow's incompetence at QB, but it isn't as though Tebow waved his magic wand and the defense played better.

But aside from the individual and team numbers, the ultimate proof of Tebow's worth as a QB is seen in what Denver did the following offseason.  Despite spending a first round pick on him in 2010 and their playoff run in 2011, Denver traded Tebow away and brought in an aging Peyton Manning.  You tacitly asserted Tebow was the catalyst to Denver's improvement from the year before.  But I would assert firing the overmatched Josh McDaniels and bringing aboard John Fox (who coached Carolina to their first Super Bowl) to coach them, and adding  pass rusher like Von Miller had more to do with Denver's improvement from 2010-2011 than Tebow did.  But perhaps you could explain, if Tebow's QBing ability, leadership and other intangibles were so great he willed the Broncos to win, why would Denver trade him away?  Why would Denver have improved so dramatically from Tebow's 2011 without the man who was supposedly so critical to their success the year before?  Since you are so concerned with the preservation of verifiable history, could you offer the factual, historical basis explaining why Denver was able to get rid of the guy so critical to their "success" in 2011, get an aging veteran to replace him, and improve the offensive output, the W-L record and the post season accomplishments without him, while a healthy Tebow never made anything close to the impact he had with Denver, much less the impact of other QBs?  

Verifiable history shows that individually, Tebow was less productive as a passer than his predecessor, the Denver offense as a whole was less productive under Tebow than it was under Orton in terms of points per game, and that the Broncos went on to far greater improvement and success after Tebow was dealt away, while Tebow never made an impact anywhere else he played.  I would offer apologies for hurting your feelings, but Tebow cultists are so insufferable, insistent, myopic and obnoxious I'm not particularly apologetic.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!