Fascism is a heretical variant of communism, a rival movement, with both ideologies being properly categorized on the Left.  The polar opposite if each is American style Constitutional liberties based on private property and the individual as the supreme political unit, with free cultural institutions as the primary sustainers of human flourishing.

American conservatism remains as the last bulwark in the world against all of the socialist modes if thought  - national socialism and Soviet socialism.

There's more than one way to describe the political spectrum or compass.  Yours is fine but it's not the only one.
I think you'll agree with me that Trump was not a great defender of private property or of individuals or of private cultural institutions other than Fox News.
As he's not a great fit for "the right" on this spectrum, it's not inconsistent to say he has commonalities with "the left" on it, including with the fascists.

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Why even bother? He knows exactly what the issue is but wants to continue on his asinine Trump is Fascist rant. 

So you don't think fascist is the right word.
OK.
What you do call the attempt to violently disrupt a session of Congress and overturn its result?
I call it fascist.  
What word do you think is better?

Imaginary.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

So you don't think fascist is the right word.
OK.
What you do call the attempt to violently disrupt a session of Congress and overturn its result?
I call it fascist.  
What word do you think is better?

Imaginary.

I don't usually describe events that occur on live TV as "imaginary" but you do you. 
It's not paranoia if they really are all out to get you.

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Imaginary.

I don't usually describe events that occur on live TV as "imaginary" but you do you. 
It's not paranoia if they really are all out to get you.

The Left should be clear about one thing, if there was ever a real insurrection, their would be no doubt. Because many of them would either be shot dead or hung after being tarred and feathered. These RATS have no idea on what awaits them if the continue to jab Americans in their eye. Jan 6th was a tourist gathering run amok. No one except the cops had a gun, ask Ashli Babbitt. And most importantly, no politicians were punished. So, they would be wise to shut their stupid mouths before they find out what a REAL insurrection looks like

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"If you always do what you've always done, You'll always get what you always got"

I don't usually describe events that occur on live TV as "imaginary" but you do you. 
It's not paranoia if they really are all out to get you.

The Left should be clear about one thing, if there was ever a real insurrection, their would be no doubt. Because many of them would either be shot dead or hung after being tarred and feathered. These RATS have no idea on what awaits them if the continue to jab Americans in their eye. Jan 6th was a tourist gathering run amok. No one except the cops had a gun, ask Ashli Babbitt. And most importantly, no politicians were punished. So, they would be wise to shut their stupid mouths before they find out what a REAL insurrection looks like

He can use this to ask her…

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

Fascism is a heretical variant of communism, a rival movement, with both ideologies being properly categorized on the Left.  The polar opposite if each is American style Constitutional liberties based on private property and the individual as the supreme political unit, with free cultural institutions as the primary sustainers of human flourishing.

American conservatism remains as the last bulwark in the world against all of the socialist modes if thought  - national socialism and Soviet socialism.

There's more than one way to describe the political spectrum or compass.  Yours is fine but it's not the only one.
I think you'll agree with me that Trump was not a great defender of private property or of individuals or of private cultural institutions other than Fox News.
As he's not a great fit for "the right" on this spectrum, it's not inconsistent to say he has commonalities with "the left" on it, including with the fascists.

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Why even bother? He knows exactly what the issue is but wants to continue on his asinine Trump is Fascist rant. 

So you don't think fascist is the right word.
OK.
What you do call the attempt to violently disrupt a session of Congress and overturn its result?
I call it fascist.  
What word do you think is better?

Two words.  Liberal Fantasy

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

The Left should be clear about one thing, if there was ever a real insurrection, their would be no doubt. Because many of them would either be shot dead or hung after being tarred and feathered. These RATS have no idea on what awaits them if the continue to jab Americans in their eye. Jan 6th was a tourist gathering run amok. No one except the cops had a gun, ask Ashli Babbitt. And most importantly, no politicians were punished. So, they would be wise to shut their stupid mouths before they find out what a REAL insurrection looks like

He can use this to ask her…

Yep, someone's daughter is dead and for what? What did she do to deserve being shot? That freak shot indiscriminately into a crowd. No one else had a gun and he SHOT her. But that's ok right, because she wasn't black or a democrat.

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"If you always do what you've always done, You'll always get what you always got"

Fascism is a heretical variant of communism, a rival movement, with both ideologies being properly categorized on the Left.  The polar opposite if each is American style Constitutional liberties based on private property and the individual as the supreme political unit, with free cultural institutions as the primary sustainers of human flourishing.

American conservatism remains as the last bulwark in the world against all of the socialist modes if thought  - national socialism and Soviet socialism.

There's more than one way to describe the political spectrum or compass.  Yours is fine but it's not the only one.
I think you'll agree with me that Trump was not a great defender of private property or of individuals or of private cultural institutions other than Fox News.
As he's not a great fit for "the right" on this spectrum, it's not inconsistent to say he has commonalities with "the left" on it, including with the fascists.

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I don't disagree at all with what you are saying.  In fact, if one removes the Third Reich's race theories from the equation -- which causes everyone to shut down their brain and make "fascist" a synonym with "bad," when in fact they should be thinking of Franco, Mussolini, ISIS, etc. -- people would be well-served to understand how deeply we are constantly flirting with fascism all over the world, and in the USA.  
Fascism is a form of post-Marxist thought that says "keep the socialism, keep the idea of looking out for the common man (the volk!), keep the transformative, powerful central government, but also keep the nation-state, the culture, the institutions, and the corporations -- just make them all in service of a collectivist goal."  It's easy to see why it gets mistakenly thought of as some extreme form of conservatism -- because it is the "conservative" version of Marxism, one that preserves parts of the existing order but amplifies them in service of a collective state.
Fascism is indeed the real danger around the corner -- but the Democrats do not seem to see that they are the fascist threat, one that has re-packaged the same rhetoric, and the same tactics, but purports to be acting on behalf of those in an identarian group -- all sorts of minorities that add up to a huge majority.  The world's Leftists have found a way to "re-wire" the basic framework of Marxism, but to surgically implant a transcendent good for the "oppressed" identitarians, instead of the "worker."
The thing that Marxism and Fascism were always missing was a religion -- and Wokeness now supplies that.

The reason Trump scares them so much is he talks like they do when it comes to things like limited government (or lack thereof), controlling spending (or lack thereof), and the things that government can do (like making America great).  Trump is truly the fulfillment of the Left-Right that Democrats have brought about.  
But I think the times are such that we must win national elections with candidates standing on the correct side, generally speaking -- Trump is an empty vessel, a reckless cannon, but his animal instincts are correct in almost every occasion.

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Well said, but hold your breath. I've tried to explain this same thing here many times to no avail. Maybe you'll have better luck. Unfortunately, too many folks here want to bury their heads in the sand for the sake of their own ego than to shift their knowledge paradigm.

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Well said, but hold your breath. I've tried to explain this same thing here many times to no avail. Maybe you'll have better luck. Unfortunately, too many folks here want to bury their heads in the sand for the sake of their own ego than to shift their knowledge paradigm.

Yes you have however introspection is dead.  The only thing that matters is Trump is gone.  No amount of reasoning will ever suffice.  That is all that matters to the left.  Look the smartest man on the interwebs still thinks Jan 6 was a coup.

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

Well said, but hold your breath. I've tried to explain this same thing here many times to no avail. Maybe you'll have better luck. Unfortunately, too many folks here want to bury their heads in the sand for the sake of their own ego than to shift their knowledge paradigm.

Yes you have however introspection is dead.  The only thing that matters is Trump is gone.  No amount of reasoning will ever suffice.  That is all that matters to the left.  Look the smartest man on the interwebs still thinks Jan 6 was a coup.

The smartest man on the interwebs doesn't post here and if you're referring to me, I said it was an *attempted* coup.

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There's more than one way to describe the political spectrum or compass.  Yours is fine but it's not the only one.
I think you'll agree with me that Trump was not a great defender of private property or of individuals or of private cultural institutions other than Fox News.
As he's not a great fit for "the right" on this spectrum, it's not inconsistent to say he has commonalities with "the left" on it, including with the fascists.

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I don't disagree at all with what you are saying.  In fact, if one removes the Third Reich's race theories from the equation -- which causes everyone to shut down their brain and make "fascist" a synonym with "bad," when in fact they should be thinking of Franco, Mussolini, ISIS, etc. -- people would be well-served to understand how deeply we are constantly flirting with fascism all over the world, and in the USA.  
Fascism is a form of post-Marxist thought that says "keep the socialism, keep the idea of looking out for the common man (the volk!), keep the transformative, powerful central government, but also keep the nation-state, the culture, the institutions, and the corporations -- just make them all in service of a collectivist goal."  It's easy to see why it gets mistakenly thought of as some extreme form of conservatism -- because it is the "conservative" version of Marxism, one that preserves parts of the existing order but amplifies them in service of a collective state.
Fascism is indeed the real danger around the corner -- but the Democrats do not seem to see that they are the fascist threat, one that has re-packaged the same rhetoric, and the same tactics, but purports to be acting on behalf of those in an identarian group -- all sorts of minorities that add up to a huge majority.  The world's Leftists have found a way to "re-wire" the basic framework of Marxism, but to surgically implant a transcendent good for the "oppressed" identitarians, instead of the "worker."
The thing that Marxism and Fascism were always missing was a religion -- and Wokeness now supplies that.

The reason Trump scares them so much is he talks like they do when it comes to things like limited government (or lack thereof), controlling spending (or lack thereof), and the things that government can do (like making America great).  Trump is truly the fulfillment of the Left-Right that Democrats have brought about.  
But I think the times are such that we must win national elections with candidates standing on the correct side, generally speaking -- Trump is an empty vessel, a reckless cannon, but his animal instincts are correct in almost every occasion.

If you want to blame the media-intelligentsia consensus that Obama rode into office and enjoyed for all 8 years as setting the stage for Trump, I don't disagree at all.
I do see collectivist tendencies, different ones, in both the Republican Party and the Democratic Party, and moreso in the Dems of course.
And I agree that fascism calls for more collectivism than what we have today in the US.  
But collectivism is part of every government.  People getting together to make rules and submit to judges is collective.  Men were never the pure untamed beasts Locke imagined, we were always tribes and troops just like all the other higher primates.  More collectivism in a society might be bad, usually is, but some level is essential.
Our form of government has shown it can exist with radically different levels of collective action over time.  Economically of course we were the most collective in the 1950s and least collective throughout the 1800s.  Socially we've probably never been less collective than we are now, with all churches and all clubs and all civic groups and all labor unions and even the political parties all in hard decline in terms of membership.  Yet our form of government survives these shifts.
For me, then, the essential feature of fascism has nothing to do with how collective we are.  
The essential feature of fascism is not that the central government has a lot of power.
The essential feature of fascism is when one man in the central government has a lot of power and there is no legal mechanism for anyone to challenge or remove him.  
Another way to say the same thing is that not all dictators are fascists but all fascists are dictators or trying to be dictators.
This is why certain things that happened with Trump, especially Jan 6 but also many incidents before that, were so concerning to me. 
I really don't care about how he handled the economy or foreign relations or even the pandemic.  His actions that concern me are those that point to a man who was trying to make it illegal to challenge him and trying to rule for life.

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Repeating crap ad nauseam does not make it true. You’re not part of the main stream media.

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

The conduct of the election was a crock, and if they want people do continue working, paying taxes for all their grand spending plans to transform society, they'd better accept that more us needed than "shut up and accept the results, we found more ballets last night after we said we were stopping the count."

Elections must be transparently fair. That's the lesson if 2020. Not "a big part of the country needs to realize they are terrible. "

You can still find hundreds of clips where Demicrats said the 2016 election was hacked, that it was stolen, that Trump was not the legit president. No Han wringing over our republic was done over their caroing.

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The outrage is the comparison of those on D-Day who fought in an honorable way against a clear and present danger to the domestic terrorists that ANTIFA/BLM the organization clearly is. Looting, rioting, burning buildings, assaulting police officers and the public, etc. 

There is absolutely NO comparison. At all. 

That's like trying to compare some man bun wearing feckless shite to Clint Eastwood. WTH is wrong with people these days?

Why even bother? He knows exactly what the issue is but wants to continue on his asinine Trump is Fascist rant. 

As a veteran I can't let that stand without saying something. I know it means nothing to him and he'll twist it however he sees fit and that's his cross to bear.

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If you commit violence against your own seat of government,  you are a revolutionary. If you are a revolutionary and you live in a classically liberal, Democratic Republic, (we do), you are either a fascist, if you are right wing, or a Communist, if you are left-wing.
Trump may not be exactly like Hitler, but he is a fascist, and this was revealed in time, and to deny it now is face-meltingly stupid.
Once you see that Trump is a fascist, there's nothing offensive about the video, other than equating protesting and voting to putting your life on the line in the battlefield. That part I don't like.

The outrage is the comparison of those on D-Day who fought in an honorable way against a clear and present danger to the domestic terrorists that ANTIFA/BLM the organization clearly is. Looting, rioting, burning buildings, assaulting police officers and the public, etc. 

There is absolutely NO comparison. At all. 

That's like trying to compare some man bun wearing feckless shite to Clint Eastwood. WTH is wrong with people these days?

I agree with you about violent protestors, whether they are taking over police stations in Seattle or Senate chambers in DC.
I don't think the video was lionizing violent protestors.  It was lionizing non violent protestors and people who simply showed up to vote.
I get where you're coming from because D-Day was violent, it makes more sense to compare it to other violent events, but I don't think that was the intent.
As I've already said, I don't like the aspect where they compared men who put their lives on the line to men who did not. I just like the aspect where they called Trump a wannabe Hitler.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Yes you have however introspection is dead.  The only thing that matters is Trump is gone.  No amount of reasoning will ever suffice.  That is all that matters to the left.  Look the smartest man on the interwebs still thinks Jan 6 was a coup.

The smartest man on the interwebs doesn't post here

Well, I mean, not as much as I used to, but I do what I can when I can.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The outrage is the comparison of those on D-Day who fought in an honorable way against a clear and present danger to the domestic terrorists that ANTIFA/BLM the organization clearly is. Looting, rioting, burning buildings, assaulting police officers and the public, etc. 

There is absolutely NO comparison. At all. 

That's like trying to compare some man bun wearing feckless shite to Clint Eastwood. WTH is wrong with people these days?

I agree with you about violent protestors, whether they are taking over police stations in Seattle or Senate chambers in DC.
I don't think the video was lionizing violent protestors.  It was lionizing non violent protestors and people who simply showed up to vote.
I get where you're coming from because D-Day was violent, it makes more sense to compare it to other violent events, but I don't think that was the intent.
As I've already said, I don't like the aspect where they compared men who put their lives on the line to men who did not. I just like the aspect where they called Trump a wannabe Hitler.

It wasn't about comparing violent to nonviolent, it was comparing our Troops to freaking ANTIFA/BLM. Saying they both fought for a similar thing (implying similar ideals) when that is absolutely NOT what happened. To compare D-Day and WW2 to the US at any point in time in history is absurd and irresponsible.  

They added the Trump thing just to prove their "point."

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The outrage is the comparison of those on D-Day who fought in an honorable way against a clear and present danger to the domestic terrorists that ANTIFA/BLM the organization clearly is. Looting, rioting, burning buildings, assaulting police officers and the public, etc. 

There is absolutely NO comparison. At all. 

That's like trying to compare some man bun wearing feckless shite to Clint Eastwood. WTH is wrong with people these days?

I agree with you about violent protestors, whether they are taking over police stations in Seattle or Senate chambers in DC.
I don't think the video was lionizing violent protestors.  It was lionizing non violent protestors and people who simply showed up to vote.
I get where you're coming from because D-Day was violent, it makes more sense to compare it to other violent events, but I don't think that was the intent.
As I've already said, I don't like the aspect where they compared men who put their lives on the line to men who did not. I just like the aspect where they called Trump a wannabe Hitler.

Of course you did.  Far left liberal democrats like you do like that.

Your small feeble mind probably can't understand how wrong it is to even try to equate President Trump to Hitler.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

I agree with you about violent protestors, whether they are taking over police stations in Seattle or Senate chambers in DC.
I don't think the video was lionizing violent protestors.  It was lionizing non violent protestors and people who simply showed up to vote.
I get where you're coming from because D-Day was violent, it makes more sense to compare it to other violent events, but I don't think that was the intent.
As I've already said, I don't like the aspect where they compared men who put their lives on the line to men who did not. I just like the aspect where they called Trump a wannabe Hitler.

It wasn't about comparing violent to nonviolent, it was comparing our Troops to freaking ANTIFA/BLM. Saying they both fought for a similar thing (implying similar ideals) when that is absolutely NOT what happened. To compare D-Day and WW2 to the US at any point in time in history is absurd and irresponsible.  

They added the Trump thing just to prove their "point."

I think we have very different concepts of what antifa and BLM are.  In my understanding, Antifa are protestors who follow the maxim, "don't start it but do finish it" and they can be violent.  I see BLM as a nonviolent hodgepodge that is just another face of the rainbow/alphabet groups.
Neither should really be compared to troops, but neither is inherently evil either.

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