(07-18-2021, 02:38 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: It sounds to me like there were a few issues that ended up being a "perfect storm" kind of thing.

First is the issue with Tom Coughlin and his strict rules regarding discipline.  There are pros/cons when it comes to that and naturally players aren't going to like it.  Coming from a military background, when "strict discipline" is properly taught it makes for better players and better people (in my opinion).  That leads to the next issue.

Just how the strict rules regarding discipline are enforced.  It sure sounds like (if true) Dave Caldwell crossed a line somewhere.  Enforcing strict rules can be done in a "non-combative" manner.  Most of the time the "yelling, screaming and cussing" is going to turn the recipient off.

Finally, it sure sounds like football players aren't open to learning new life lessons (discipline).  To them and many young people it's all about being "respected/disrespected".  "Respect" is earned and it doesn't come by being a good football player.


Just my opinion, but I think everyone involved could use some lessons about leadership.

True in regards to everyone needing to grow up an learn leadership. Ironically, the yelling and screaming at basic is what turned me off from the military; as well as, watching drill sergeants act like kids alot with me coming from a structured church household being a PK. I gave respect but wasn't given it in return and ultimately left. Love the military but only the kids putting their life on the line thrown into the fire partially blindfolded.

Back on topic....TLaw is the here and now. I hope he lights ramsey's ahh up with chark, Vista, and jones.

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