I know that many were not particularly pleased with our draft, except for TL. Some were upset with taking ETN in the first, some wanted more focus on the offensive line, and some thought we took too many "injured players".

Given the performance of the rooks to this point in camp, has anyone's perception of the draft class changed? Do you think Urban may actually know what he is doing?

 I personally think this has a real good chance to be the rookie class that completely changes the direction of the franchise.

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I know that many were not particularly pleased with our draft, except for TL. Some were upset with taking ETN in the first, some wanted more focus on the offensive line, and some thought we took too many "injured players".

Given the performance of the rooks to this point in camp, has anyone's perception of the draft class changed? Do you think Urban may actually know what he is doing?

 I personally think this has a real good chance to be the rookie class that completely changes the direction of the franchise.

I agree, it's way too early, and I am sure a lot of other teams are having the same conversation about their incredible amazing rookie class.  

But it does look good so far.

Check the spelling in your title.

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It would be way too early if we were discussing this same topic this time next year. It's absurdly beyond way too early to be talking about this now.

So in light of that, here's the absurdly beyond way too early take based on what we've seen so far which means absolutely nothing: Trey Lance should have gone 1.01.

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I know that many were not particularly pleased with our draft, except for TL. Some were upset with taking ETN in the first, some wanted more focus on the offensive line, and some thought we took too many "injured players".

Given the performance of the rooks to this point in camp, has anyone's perception of the draft class changed? Do you think Urban may actually know what he is doing?

 I personally think this has a real good chance to be the rookie class that completely changes the direction of the franchise.

This is an intriguing question-one truly worthy of detailed and nuanced discussion.

Sadly, because I have not attended any practices and have only seen limited clips, and have only read various write ups or radio accounts about what has transpired in camp thus far, the validity and accuracy of my responses are to be taken with a gigantic boulder of salt.

I'm not certain my perception of the draft has changed just yet.

Immediately after the draft:

1.  I was stoked we had Trevor Lawrence.  nothing has changed my mind about that.
2.  I was happy with the Etienne pick and felt he was a talented player, but was apprehensive about how he will be utilized.  That hasn't changed.
3.  I was disappointed with the Campbell pick...not because I was anti Campbell per se, but I thought the team needed to invest in a T and Ts were on the board.  To the limited degree I've read good things about Campbell, I feel a little better...but not much.
4.  I liked the Little selection and felt outside of TL, he could easily be the most important draft pick in this class, and perhaps many classes.  That opinion hasn't changed.  I am still uncertain as to how long it will take him to shake off the rust, and how long he will take to become a quality starter at LT.  That remains unchanged, though the camp reports I have read are encouraging.

5.  I was pretty happy with the Cisco pick.  I liked what I had seen of him in college.  i like what I have read and heard of Cisco since camp has started.

6.  Jay Tufele-Thought he might have been a decent value at the top of the 4th, but didn't do too much research on him pre draft.  I have heard and read about his array of moves beyond the basic bull rush and that has been a source of encouragement.

7.  Jordan Smith-Seemed underwhelmed by the pick when it was made.  Have seen/heard nothing to change my mind.

8.  Luke Farrell-Had no opinion of him immediately post draft.  Nothing has changed my mind yet, as he has not been the subject of too much of the analysis.

9.  Ja;en Camp-no opinion pre or post draft.

Moral of the story is right now, I don't have enough information at this point to have changed my mind about the draft class or about Urban Meyer and co.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Oh no!!!! Don’t start liking the draft picks now....j/k

Lawrence is as advertised
ETN is going to be a homerun hitter
Little has all the potential in the world
Campbell Cisco and Henderson are our Secondary for the future
Smith is a 6’7 OLB I like the upside But haven’t heard much
Tufele is a name I haven’t heard much of
Farrell is being over shadowed by Tim
Camp is flashing

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There's a buzz about this camp that we haven't had in a long time.. I'm tempering my expectations a bit, but I'm more excited than an 18 year old kid sneakin grampa's viagra pills.

Dats 4 dam sho..

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I know that many were not particularly pleased with our draft, except for TL. Some were upset with taking ETN in the first, some wanted more focus on the offensive line, and some thought we took too many "injured players".

Given the performance of the rooks to this point in camp, has anyone's perception of the draft class changed? Do you think Urban may actually know what he is doing?

 I personally think this has a real good chance to be the rookie class that completely changes the direction of the franchise.

Are you kidding me? after a few practices we are supposed to believe Meyer knows what he is doing? after giving Tebow a job because they are friends?. And because when a new HC arrives it is so uncommon for everyone (especially the players) to be extra positive and praise pretty much everything about the new regime, right?

Etienne, Campbell, Little, Tufele and even Lawrence have to prove they were worth the picks, none of them have proved anything yet.

It would be way too early if we were discussing this same topic this time next year. It's absurdly beyond way too early to be talking about this now.

So in light of that, here's the absurdly beyond way too early take based on what we've seen so far which means absolutely nothing: Trey Lance should have gone 1.01.

This

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"Treyvon Wallet is elite run defender and better overall than Aidan Hutchinson" 11/11/23

I typed "Early rookie assessments" into my GPS. It directed me to a grammar school.

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Lawrence is what I expected he would be and honestly, he could possibly be the most important player in Jaguars history when all is said and done.
ETN is wasn't excited about at first because I thought we would go in anothe rdirection but I always loved the player. He is going to make Urban and Baalke look like a pair of geniuses.
I didn't liek the Campbell pick because I didn't think we needed a CB. So far, this is looking like a really smart pick because not only is he doing well in camp, CJ can't get off the sidelines.
I didn't know much bout Little other than he hadn't played in almost two years. But when he played, he was dominant. So far he has shown he has the potential to be our Franchise tackle we have desperately needed.
I am super excited about Ciso. He is a true ball hawking safety and we haven't had anyone like him in a long time. If he stays healthy, I predict he will lead the Jags in Ints this year.
Didn't and still don't know much about Smith. I have nothing for ya.
I love the Tufele pick. I love Samoan linemen. Always have. They always just seem to be great or at worst decent linemen. Safest pick outside of Lawrence and ETN imo.
I was not excited about the Ferrell pick as he didn't catch much and college and is known as a "blocking" TE. If he can develope into a pass catcher, then he will be worth this pick.
I knew nothing about Camp but when I saw his measuables and his tape, I couldn't believe he lasted as long as he did. He has flashed in camp and I expect him to make the team.

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I know that many were not particularly pleased with our draft, except for TL. Some were upset with taking ETN in the first, some wanted more focus on the offensive line, and some thought we took too many "injured players".

Given the performance of the rooks to this point in camp, has anyone's perception of the draft class changed? Do you think Urban may actually know what he is doing?

 I personally think this has a real good chance to be the rookie class that completely changes the direction of the franchise.

Are you kidding me? after a few practices we are supposed to believe Meyer knows what he is doing? after giving Tebow a job because they are friends?. And because when a new HC arrives it is so uncommon for everyone (especially the players) to be extra positive and praise pretty much everything about the new regime, right?

Etienne, Campbell, Little, Tufele and even Lawrence have to prove they were worth the picks, none of them has proved anything yet.

It would be way too early if we were discussing this same topic this time next year. It's absurdly beyond way too early to be talking about this now.

So in light of that, here's the absurdly beyond way too early take based on what we've seen so far which means absolutely nothing: Trey Lance should have gone 1.01.

This

I figured I would get a response like this. There is at least one in every crowd, unfortunately. Its the reason I rarely come here anymore even though I am a huge Jaguar fan. 
Is it a sin to try to start a conversation? For this time of year this boards lack of activity is a joke and its posters like you that make it this way.

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I figured I would get a response like this. There is at least one in every crowd, unfortunately. Its the reason I rarely come here anymore even though I am a huge Jaguar fan. 
Is it a sin to try to start a conversation? For this time of year this boards lack of activity is a joke and its posters like you that make it this way.

It's not a sin, but maybe take a few minutes to think of a better question than how should we be grading rookies after two days of padded practices. Maybe try to spur more conversation by commenting on existing threads before starting your own this early in your forum career.

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I've been to 2 training camp sessions so far and naturally listened to comments from local media and this forum. Based on all of this, these are my early impressions:

Trevor Lawrence- Expect him to be a great player and make several pro-bowls, HOWEVER this season will be tough. His rookie season will be more like Peyton Manning and Aikman than Herbert.

Travis Etienne- Expect greatness from this player. His stats will not be as good as Najee Harris due to sharing time with Robinson, but defenses will need to account for him whenever he is on the field.

Tyson Campbell- Haven't seen enough of him, but he was a great pick due to all the questio-marks about Henderson. No doubt that Campbell has all the desirable traits for a corner and if he gets better holding on to interceptions the sky will be the limit for him.

Walker Little- If not for his injury 2 years ago and lack of play for 2 years, he could have been a top 10 pick. Not only should he be Lawrence's left tackle for many years, but he will enable the team to let Robinson go after this season saving them a ton of cap money. If he stays healthy for most of his career, he'll eventually be viewed as one of the best value picks in franchise history.

Remainder of class: Way too early to predict the future of the other rookies, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if Cisco, Camp and Tufele become valuable contributors to the team with Camp needing the most time due to being so raw.

Biggest negative- The Jags should have drafted a receiving tight end. Farrell is more of a blocker and the team lacks a tight end who can consistently get down the field. They should have drafted Brevin Jordan instead of Farrell.

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Are you kidding me? after a few practices we are supposed to believe Meyer knows what he is doing? after giving Tebow a job because they are friends?. And because when a new HC arrives it is so uncommon for everyone (especially the players) to be extra positive and praise pretty much everything about the new regime, right?

Etienne, Campbell, Little, Tufele and even Lawrence have to prove they were worth the picks, none of them has proved anything yet.


This

I figured I would get a response like this. There is at least one in every crowd, unfortunately. Its the reason I rarely come here anymore even though I am a huge Jaguar fan. 
Is it a sin to try to start a conversation? For this time of year this boards lack of activity is a joke and its posters like you that make it this way.

You asked a question that no one can answer with certainty and then whine that you expected, and received, an uncertain response.  

If you want to start a conversation, ask a question which is worthy of one.

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I have heard absolutely NOTHING out of Luke Farrell so far. TBH, I forgot we even drafted him...

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“Motivation alone is not enough.  If you have an idiot and you motivate him,now you have a motivated idiot.” Jim Rohn

 

Are you kidding me? after a few practices we are supposed to believe Meyer knows what he is doing? after giving Tebow a job because they are friends?. And because when a new HC arrives it is so uncommon for everyone (especially the players) to be extra positive and praise pretty much everything about the new regime, right?

Etienne, Campbell, Little, Tufele and even Lawrence have to prove they were worth the picks, none of them has proved anything yet.


This

I figured I would get a response like this. There is at least one in every crowd, unfortunately. Its the reason I rarely come here anymore even though I am a huge Jaguar fan. 
Is it a sin to try to start a conversation? For this time of year this boards lack of activity is a joke and its posters like you that make it this way.

The subject matter of your question was good, but it was premature to introduce it now.

As far as the response goes, I think it was relatively tame as far as message board responses go.

I've been on the receiving end of many adverse responses, whether the expressly hostile ones or the deafening silence of non responses to threads I thought would be of interest.

Don't take them personally.

As a long time poster here, I assure you people here enjoy good football discussion/debate and provide it...which is why I am a long time poster.

If you wanna talk football here, brush yourself off and keep posting.  You'll get the discussion you seek when possible.

Right now, it's too soon for anyone to really give much intelligent analysis.  The title you gave this thread indicates as much.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Lawrence is what I expected he would be and honestly, he could possibly be the most important player in Jaguars history when all is said and done.
ETN is wasn't excited about at first because I thought we would go in anothe rdirection but I always loved the player. He is going to make Urban and Baalke look like a pair of geniuses.
I didn't liek the Campbell pick because I didn't think we needed a CB. So far, this is looking like a really smart pick because not only is he doing well in camp, CJ can't get off the sidelines.
I didn't know much bout Little other than he hadn't played in almost two years. But when he played, he was dominant. So far he has shown he has the potential to be our Franchise tackle we have desperately needed.
I am super excited about Ciso. He is a true ball hawking safety and we haven't had anyone like him in  a long time. If he stays healthy, I predict he will lead the Jags in Ints this year.
Didn't and still don't know much about Smith. I have nothing for ya.
I love the Tufele pick. I love Samoan linemen. Always have. They always just seem to be great or at worst decent linemen. Safest pick outside of Lawrence and ETN imo.
I was not excited about the Ferrell pick as he didn't catch much and college and is known as a "blocking" TE. If he can develope into a pass catcher, then he will be worth this pick.
I knew nothing about Camp but when I saw his measuables and his tape, I couldn't believe he lasted as long as he did. He has flashed in camp and I expect him to make the team.

The more I thought about it, the more didn't mind what Meyer and Co. were doing at the TE position...

There are about 4 or 5 unicorn TEs in the league that represent receiving matchup problems whenever they step on the field.  It also almost always takes 2-3 years in the NFL for a receiving tight end to show whether or not he's any good.  By taking the tight end that excels at blocking, rather than hoping to catch a unicorn, at least there's a good chance Farrell won't be completely useless for a year or more while we wait to find out if he's even worthy of a roster spot.  
Any receptions we get from Manhertz and Farrell will be gravy, while our mis-matches in the passing game will come from the wide receiver and running back groups.  And who knows, maybe one of them will develop into a good pass catcher given the opportunity.

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It should be fun to watch the rookies play some in these preseason games coming up.

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Are you kidding me? after a few practices we are supposed to believe Meyer knows what he is doing? after giving Tebow a job because they are friends?. And because when a new HC arrives it is so uncommon for everyone (especially the players) to be extra positive and praise pretty much everything about the new regime, right?

Etienne, Campbell, Little, Tufele and even Lawrence have to prove they were worth the picks, none of them has proved anything yet.


This

I figured I would get a response like this. There is at least one in every crowd, unfortunately. Its the reason I rarely come here anymore even though I am a huge Jaguar fan. 
Is it a sin to try to start a conversation? For this time of year this boards lack of activity is a joke and its posters like you that make it this way.

Hahaha such a delicate flower

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"Treyvon Wallet is elite run defender and better overall than Aidan Hutchinson" 11/11/23

I figured I would get a response like this. There is at least one in every crowd, unfortunately. Its the reason I rarely come here anymore even though I am a huge Jaguar fan. 
Is it a sin to try to start a conversation? For this time of year this boards lack of activity is a joke and its posters like you that make it this way.

Hahaha such a delicate flower

 Says the big bad message board bully. 

After all the whining from many on this forum after the draft, I think it was a perfect time to ask the questions I posed. Besides, there have been like two new threads on this board in the last two weeks. It needed someone to start a new thread.

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Hahaha such a delicate flower

 Says the big bad message board bully. 

After all the whining from many on this forum after the draft, I think it was a perfect time to ask the questions I posed. Besides, there have been like two new threads on this board in the last two weeks. It needed someone to start a new thread.

Hahaha that's bullying to you? really? 

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"Treyvon Wallet is elite run defender and better overall than Aidan Hutchinson" 11/11/23