If ETN didn't get injured, do we think they trade Robinson before the season? I don't know why he was rarely used. Whole game was painful and a continuation of last year.

I hope they improve over the season and we can see it. It has been rough as heck.

Probably, the FO of this team is pretty dumb.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

If ETN didn't get injured, do we think they trade Robinson before the season? I don't know why he was rarely used. Whole game was painful and a continuation of last year.

I hope they improve over the season and we can see it. It has been rough as heck.

Knowing Meyer and the fact that he has final say according to Khan, I believe this would've been a distinct possibility.

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1.  I have no problem bashing my team if it commits stupid penalties that kill themselves.  But for the life of me, I don't understand ANY of the first three horse [BLEEP] holding penalties against us.  Linder threw what looked like a clean block with no holding.  I'm not a huge fan of Jawaan Taylor, but I have no clue what the refs saw on his holding call.  They actually managed to call offensive holding on a CB-#40.  It got to the point where I was actually surprised when we had a positive run that WASN'T called back due to offensive holding.  It was down right insulting to see Texans fans indignant about the false start penalty on the 4th down when the C lifted his head and the ball.  In fairness to them, I thought Griffin interfered on that end zone pass  Having said all that, this was far from a solid game penalty wise.  There were still plenty of mental errors and dumb penalties.  How many illegal formation penalties can we have from Ts lining up too far back?  We blew two time outs in the first quarter.

2.  For years, people clamored for a switch to a 3-4 defense as if it would solve all our problems.  Clearly after today, it's not proven true.  While I know we needed 3-4 DL to stock the roster, I did not see us sign any true dominators.  That showed today because we weren't able to really stop the run.  While Josh Allen got an early sack, we didn't do a good job pressuring the QB.  Much like in the preseason game against the Browns, we had difficulty defending short passes outside, and compounded that by giving up deeper passes.  Cooks was the one guy who could beat us deep. and we let him do it twice (More on this later).  The bottom line is we are a long way from being solid defensively.

3.  I thought the secondary would be an area of comparative strength for us with the infusion of speed.  But I didn't imagine how poorly the team would be in terms of playing the ball.  Griffin made a great play on the ball early in the game, but dropped an INT on the first drive that could have changed the game for us.  We can't afford to NOT make a play like that.  Lots of people were upset that Wingard started ahead of Andre Cisco.  It appears they were right.  There were several times he appeared out of position and beaten, even if the completion wasn't made-like when he was beaten badly by the TE down the right side on an incomplete pass.

4.  What will it take for our receivers to consistently catch passes that are catchable?  There were, what, three dropped passes in the first quarter alone?  Granted, some of those passes were a little behind the receiver, but all of them hit the receivers in the hands.  

5.  During the preseason, I had some concern that there was offensive imbalance.  That cooncern crept up again, as TL had some 51 passes, and there was a stretch early on where they had 7 passes and zero runs.  Penalties had much to do with the imbalance early, and then it got exacerbated when the team fell behind.  But the team has to stop killing itself with penalties that put them behind schedule, and then they have to have more offensive balance, especially against teams with superior pass rushes like Denver and Arizona coming up.

6.  I know this will invariably sound like "So Mrs. Lincoln, aside from your husband being shot in the head, how did you like the play?"  But all of the penalties aside, the O-line did not play too, too badly.  Considering we were constantly in long yardage and behind throughout the game, I thought the protection was decent, only giving up a sack.  I thought they also did a decent job opening holes in the running game, considering those early holding calls were complete fiction.

7.  Rookie Watch:

     a.  Trevor Lawrence-I thought he was okay today, all things considering.  He had moments where he looked really good, like the TD passes to Manhertz and Chark.  He climbed the pocket well, and moved while looking to pass.  There were times it looked like he could have run, and most rookie passers similarly situated might have run, but he kept his eyes downfield to his credit.  He had moments where he didn't look so good, as would be expected by a rookie making his first start.  The numbers show he threw 3 INTs.  I think the first two picks were the direct result of being in long yardage due to penalties and him trying to play hero ball.  That was especially true on the first INT where he scrambled to his left and tried throwing against his body and overthrew the receiver.  The second INT was set up by a holding penalty that negated a decent play, putting the team in long yardage.  I don't know what the hell happened on the 3rd INT.  As I said earlier, he suffered from some drops, but there were plays his accuracy was off.  All in all, I saw enough from him to be encouraged, but if his rookie inclinations to try to do too much are to be minimized, the team will have to reduce the penalties-actual or fictional.

     b.  Travis Etienne- DNP-on IR.

     c.  Tyson Campbell-Once again, the whole scouting report thing about him being unable to play the ball effectively reared its ugly head early on on that first deep pass to Brandon Cooks.  Once again he was in a position to possibly knock the ball down, and once again, he didn't/couldn't do it, and it flipped the field, leading to the first Texans' TD.  He i already one of the most frustrating Jaguars I've seen in a while.  I don't know how he can improve his awareness, but I hope Ash, Cullen, Meyer et al get it figured out fast.

     d.  Walker Little-I did not see him play at all.

     e.  Andre Cisco-I saw him play, but he did not stick out, aside from not being in the game when Wingard was inexplicably the starter.  I have to think he would have done a better job on the TE than Wingard, and I shudder to think of Wingard against Noah Fant next week.

     f.  Jay Tufele-I don't know if he played.  I didn't see him.

     g.  Jordan Smith-See above.

     h.  Luke Farrell-see above.

8.  For all of the hype surrounding Agnew, he didn't make much of an impact.

9.  Speaking of special teams, Lambo missed a needed 55 yard FG.  Granted, a 55 yarder is no chip shot, but in order for us to win this year, he will have to make those.

10.  I think Urban Meyer and Company deserve some criticism for the way this game played out.  From the team's inability to line up properly to wasting two TOs in the first quarter, too many things looked like the results of a team not prepared.  We'll see how this team will bounce back, but there were too many ugly, sloppy moments in this game.  Lots of his critics have said that there aren't any directional schools or Northwesterns on the NFL schedule.  They are wrong.  The Jaguars are the directional school/homecoming opponents.  Shaking my head in dismay.

11.  Bottom line-Aside from the flashes from Lawrence, there wasn't much to like in this performance.  As vastly outplayed and outcoached as this team was today, the level of competition will step up a couple of levels in the next couple of weeks.  The penalties that weighed this team down like an anchor will have to disappear if this team is to have any balance.  Otherwise, the pass rush will be far more of a problem for Trevor Lawrence than it was this week, resulting in far fewer of these positive flashes.

1. The penalties were a problem, real or phantom. That just can't happen. 

2. I had a feeling that this team was so focused on stopping the run in the offseason, that the pass defense was gonna suffer as a result. When you stack the box to make sure the opposing runners are contained, you leave the secondary in man to man coverage. I hated several of the moves we made in the secondary during the offseason as well. We signed Griffin to be a "shut down" CB, but no one took into consideration that Seattle had the 2nd worst pass defense in the NFL in 2020. How is this an upgrade? We drafted Tyson Campbell and his one big knock was that he had trouble tracking the ball in the air. That has reared it's ugly head on more than one occasion this year. We traded Sidney Jones for basically some "magic beans," even though he was our best CB last season, when healthy and in a move that baffled the entire fan base, Wingard was chosen to start the game. I have said that he is quite possibly, the most undisciplined player I have ever seen in the NFL. He plays like an indy car with no steering wheel and the gas pump stuck all the way to the floor. All of these factors, contributed to making Tyrod Taylor look like a Pro Bowl QB in this game. At this point, I don't even know what can be done to fix it. If this team can make Taylor look that good, what will happen when Kyler Murray, Russell Wilson, Josh Allen and Matt Stafford face us? I don't really blame the 3-4 scheme, I blame the coaches for not recognizing that we don't have the talent to make it work. We have zero pass rush other than Allen and we don't have corners who can hold their own in man to man coverage. When you can't do those two things, you shouldn't be in a 3-4 scheme. 

3. Unfortunately, I feared this would happen. See #2 above. 

4. I'm not so much worried about the dropped passes. Our receivers were used to catching "off-speed" passes from the carousel of QB's we've played in the last couple of years. Now we've brought in the NFL equivalent to Justin Verlander and it's gonna take our receivers time to adjust to catching "fastballs." D.J. Chark has been injured all of the preseason, so it might take him the longest to adjust. He wasn't able to develop any chemistry with Lawrence in game situations. I am confident that by game 4, the drops we saw in this game will be a thing of the past though. 

5. Again, I don't know if this is gonna change. Urban Meyer isn't used to trailing in games especially as bad as we were getting blown out. At Ohio State, in the very few times it happened, he would panic and abandon the run. Well, we fell behind so early, that Meyer panicked very early and it made things even worse. Making a rookie QB like Trevor throw 51 times in his very first game is ridiculous! The worst possible thing you can do to a young QB is make him do too much, too fast. If this is a precursor for what is to come, Lawrence will have a "ragged out" arm by the time he is 25. There has to be more balance within the offense. Robinson has to have way more than 5 carries. There is no way, Carlos Hyde should get more carries than Robinson. 

6. Agreed, but remember, this was the Texans. Without J.J. Watt, they don't really have a pass rush. 

7a. Trevor played like a rookie who was forced to throw 51 times in a blowout loss. There will be speed bumps with this kid, but I still think he will be elite. It's just gonna take time. 

7b. DNP

7c. More of the same. This pick was a mistake. 

7d. I cannot believe he wasn't activated for this game. 

7e. He should've started the game. 

7f. Did he play?

7g. Did he play?

7h. Did he play?

8. Agreed.

9. Agreed. 

10. I think the Urban Meyer experiment will be short lived. This team is bad and Urban Meyer does not like losing and he's not used to it. I think he rides off into the sunset after the season is over, if not earlier. He's not gonna want to stay and tarnish his legacy. 

11. This is gonna be a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG season.

1.  Not sure how phantom penalties can be prevented.  We just have to play above them or overcome them.  But when they always come negating a good early down run and put us in perpetual long yardage, that's tough.  The preventable penalties, though?  Ugh.

2.  My thing is they also put a decent size investment into the secondary with Jenkins, Ford, Griffin, Campbell and Cisco.  I could see what you described happening had they only invested in the DL.  But they invested in the secondary and they were still awful against what looked to be a bad team.  I shudder at the thought of our OL going against better pass rushers coming into the season.  As you astutely observe, it seems, halloween has nothing on the prospects of our secondary going up against elite QBs on our schedule this year in terms of instilling fright in the Jaguars fanbase.

4.  I was a Chark fan when he came out of LSU, and I hope you are right about him.  For years, he struggled with poor QB play.  now he has a guy who can get him the ball with some degree of proficiency and he performed like this against a relatively weak secondary?  Ugh.

10.  I don't know if it'll be short lived.  The first game with a rookie coach and a rookie QB isn't necessarily a barometer as to how his overall career will go.  Jimmy Johnson and Troy Aikman lost their first ever game 28-0 at New Orleans.  He DID take over a 1=15 team.  Early struggles were inevitable.  That said, there was a LOT in that game that makes me question the preparedness of the roster, and that falls on coaching as much as anything.

11.  Only hoping for gradual improvement over the year.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

1.  I have no problem bashing my team if it commits stupid penalties that kill themselves.  But for the life of me, I don't understand ANY of the first three horse [BLEEP] holding penalties against us.  Linder threw what looked like a clean block with no holding.  I'm not a huge fan of Jawaan Taylor, but I have no clue what the refs saw on his holding call.  They actually managed to call offensive holding on a CB-#40.  It got to the point where I was actually surprised when we had a positive run that WASN'T called back due to offensive holding.  It was down right insulting to see Texans fans indignant about the false start penalty on the 4th down when the C lifted his head and the ball.  In fairness to them, I thought Griffin interfered on that end zone pass  Having said all that, this was far from a solid game penalty wise.  There were still plenty of mental errors and dumb penalties.  How many illegal formation penalties can we have from Ts lining up too far back?  We blew two time outs in the first quarter.

2.  For years, people clamored for a switch to a 3-4 defense as if it would solve all our problems.  Clearly after today, it's not proven true.  While I know we needed 3-4 DL to stock the roster, I did not see us sign any true dominators.  That showed today because we weren't able to really stop the run.  While Josh Allen got an early sack, we didn't do a good job pressuring the QB.  Much like in the preseason game against the Browns, we had difficulty defending short passes outside, and compounded that by giving up deeper passes.  Cooks was the one guy who could beat us deep. and we let him do it twice (More on this later).  The bottom line is we are a long way from being solid defensively.

3.  I thought the secondary would be an area of comparative strength for us with the infusion of speed.  But I didn't imagine how poorly the team would be in terms of playing the ball.  Griffin made a great play on the ball early in the game, but dropped an INT on the first drive that could have changed the game for us.  We can't afford to NOT make a play like that.  Lots of people were upset that Wingard started ahead of Andre Cisco.  It appears they were right.  There were several times he appeared out of position and beaten, even if the completion wasn't made-like when he was beaten badly by the TE down the right side on an incomplete pass.

4.  What will it take for our receivers to consistently catch passes that are catchable?  There were, what, three dropped passes in the first quarter alone?  Granted, some of those passes were a little behind the receiver, but all of them hit the receivers in the hands.  

5.  During the preseason, I had some concern that there was offensive imbalance.  That cooncern crept up again, as TL had some 51 passes, and there was a stretch early on where they had 7 passes and zero runs.  Penalties had much to do with the imbalance early, and then it got exacerbated when the team fell behind.  But the team has to stop killing itself with penalties that put them behind schedule, and then they have to have more offensive balance, especially against teams with superior pass rushes like Denver and Arizona coming up.

6.  I know this will invariably sound like "So Mrs. Lincoln, aside from your husband being shot in the head, how did you like the play?"  But all of the penalties aside, the O-line did not play too, too badly.  Considering we were constantly in long yardage and behind throughout the game, I thought the protection was decent, only giving up a sack.  I thought they also did a decent job opening holes in the running game, considering those early holding calls were complete fiction.

7.  Rookie Watch:

     a.  Trevor Lawrence-I thought he was okay today, all things considering.  He had moments where he looked really good, like the TD passes to Manhertz and Chark.  He climbed the pocket well, and moved while looking to pass.  There were times it looked like he could have run, and most rookie passers similarly situated might have run, but he kept his eyes downfield to his credit.  He had moments where he didn't look so good, as would be expected by a rookie making his first start.  The numbers show he threw 3 INTs.  I think the first two picks were the direct result of being in long yardage due to penalties and him trying to play hero ball.  That was especially true on the first INT where he scrambled to his left and tried throwing against his body and overthrew the receiver.  The second INT was set up by a holding penalty that negated a decent play, putting the team in long yardage.  I don't know what the hell happened on the 3rd INT.  As I said earlier, he suffered from some drops, but there were plays his accuracy was off.  All in all, I saw enough from him to be encouraged, but if his rookie inclinations to try to do too much are to be minimized, the team will have to reduce the penalties-actual or fictional.

     b.  Travis Etienne- DNP-on IR.

     c.  Tyson Campbell-Once again, the whole scouting report thing about him being unable to play the ball effectively reared its ugly head early on on that first deep pass to Brandon Cooks.  Once again he was in a position to possibly knock the ball down, and once again, he didn't/couldn't do it, and it flipped the field, leading to the first Texans' TD.  He i already one of the most frustrating Jaguars I've seen in a while.  I don't know how he can improve his awareness, but I hope Ash, Cullen, Meyer et al get it figured out fast.

     d.  Walker Little-I did not see him play at all.

     e.  Andre Cisco-I saw him play, but he did not stick out, aside from not being in the game when Wingard was inexplicably the starter.  I have to think he would have done a better job on the TE than Wingard, and I shudder to think of Wingard against Noah Fant next week.

     f.  Jay Tufele-I don't know if he played.  I didn't see him.

     g.  Jordan Smith-See above.

     h.  Luke Farrell-see above.

8.  For all of the hype surrounding Agnew, he didn't make much of an impact.

9.  Speaking of special teams, Lambo missed a needed 55 yard FG.  Granted, a 55 yarder is no chip shot, but in order for us to win this year, he will have to make those.

10.  I think Urban Meyer and Company deserve some criticism for the way this game played out.  From the team's inability to line up properly to wasting two TOs in the first quarter, too many things looked like the results of a team not prepared.  We'll see how this team will bounce back, but there were too many ugly, sloppy moments in this game.  Lots of his critics have said that there aren't any directional schools or Northwesterns on the NFL schedule.  They are wrong.  The Jaguars are the directional school/homecoming opponents.  Shaking my head in dismay.

11.  Bottom line-Aside from the flashes from Lawrence, there wasn't much to like in this performance.  As vastly outplayed and outcoached as this team was today, the level of competition will step up a couple of levels in the next couple of weeks.  The penalties that weighed this team down like an anchor will have to disappear if this team is to have any balance.  Otherwise, the pass rush will be far more of a problem for Trevor Lawrence than it was this week, resulting in far fewer of these positive flashes.

1.  I agree that it was a bad day for the refs and it mostly went against us.

2.  Although I didn't object to switching to the 3-4, players matter more than scheme.  No matter what scheme you play, you need good players and they need to play it right.

3.  I wonder what the impact would have been if Griffin had made that interception.  Is it a momentum change that completely alters the complexion of the game or do the Jaguars just screw it up on the next play anyway?  As for Wingard, I was surprised he made the team.  Being a starter is almost mind-boggling.  We were lucky the impact wasn't even worse.  The Texans missed some opportunities against him today.

4.  The number of drops was surprising.  I'm hoping Chark was just rusty.  For the others, I don't know what to make of it.  I'm hoping it was just an opening game fluke.  Not every throw was perfect, but there were a bunch of catchable balls that weren't caught.

5.  I don't put much into play calling in the preseason.  Fans think of it as a game, but coaches think of it as practice.  Sometimes coaches want to practice their weakness in order to get better.  However, I do consider play calling in the regular season important and it was atrocious today.  How can we give our offensive MVP from last year, James Robinson, only 5 carries against a team that has a bad run defense?  That's inexcusable.

6.  I would have to admit that the offensive line did better than I expected.  Maybe I just had low expectations for them.  The penalties were bad, but I agree that some of them appeared to be complete fiction.

7.  Rookies

a.  I agree on Lawrence.  I'm not concerned about him.  I saw potential in his play today.  He'll cut down on the rookie mistakes.

b.  I'm sure some will inevitably blame our offensive failures this year on the loss of ETN.  "If we just had ETN, all of our problems would be solved."  If so, I don't buy it.  

c.  I hated the Campbell draft pick at the time.  Sometimes I hate it when I'm right.  All we can do is hope he improves.   

d.  Walker Little was inactive.  It's a strange move.  Meyer obviously felt more comfortable with Richardson as the backup.  I'm wondering if Meyer has a major distrust of rookies (aka Wingard over Cisco).

e.  The stat sheet shows Cisco with one tackle, but I don't recall it.

f.  Tufele was inactive.

g.  Smith was inactive.

h.  I caught a glimpse of Farrell on the field once during special teams.  If he played offense, I didn't see it.  

8.  Agnew didn't make an impact?  That's an understatement.  He had 2 punts returns for 1 yard combined.  Yes, that's right, he provided us with a grand total of 1 yard of positive field position.  How much did we pay him?  I don't get some people (include Meyer's) obsession with special teams.  Under current NFL rules, most kickoffs go for touchbacks and punt returns rarely amount to a hill of beans.

9.  While I would obviously prefer he makes every field goal, I'm not going to get upset over Lambo missing a 55 yard field goal.  That's a long field goal.

10.  I'm usually big on blaming the players and not coaches, but this is a game where I feel the coaches came up short.  They made poor personnel decisions such as starting Wingard over Cisco.  They had terrible play calling on offense.  They had bad clock management.  They also had penalties that seemed to reflect back on poor coaching such as the 12 men in the huddle and 3 illegal formations.  

11.  Agree.

2.  I agree irrespective of scheme, you need the players to run it.  That said, though it's very early and he may still develop into a good player, I shudder to think of what superior players we passed up to take Campbell at the top of round 2.

3.  Had he held onto that INT, I think it would have given the team a confidence boost.   It's reasonable to think we could have at least come out of it with a field goal.  Maybe for the first half, the game is called a little differently and for our part, there wouldn't have been such a lopsided run-pass imbalance.  Would that have assured the win?  Of course not.  It was so early in the game, and we have so many holes and made so many mistakes, it may not have changed the bottom line result.

4.  Agreed.

5.  I can sorta see how the run/pass imbalance got so out of whack, but I don't understand abandoning Robinson the way we did.  Did he get hurt?  Was this a case of UM turning to guys he knows best in crisis?

6.  This morning, Boselli was saying the OL did not perform well, no matter what the stats say.  I readily concede that may well have been the case, and been more a function of the Texans not having any viable pass rushers.  The next two games will be a much better barometer of our OL.  I am NOT confident.

7b.  I think ETN may have made a difference, but anyone pinning ALL our offensive failures either against Houston or every game this season on his absence would be misguided.

c.  Right now it's painful to watch him play.

d.  That sounds like a good theory.  Nothing else would seem to explain why Little was inactive and Cisco didn't start.  Even if Little still has a way to go before he could be considered a solid upgrade over either T, it just doesn't make much sense.

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If we would have continued running it, we would have set the record for penalties.

The NFL wanted to to showcase the 1st Overall Pick's arm and passing abilities, so refs were instructed to force the Jags to pass

As outlandish as that sounds, the penalties sure seemed to have that effect, didn't they?

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I am already dreading Jawaan Taylor one on one against Von Miller.

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I am tired of losing period...but I am particuarly tired of losing to the Texans.

Usualy they had the one player we couldn't match up with.  But they got rid of those guys, and still whooped us.  Igh.

Need to assign Manhertz to follow him around the field pre-snap. Make him the Personal Protector for whoever Miller is against that play.

A traveling pass blocker?

Like a CB that travels to cover the other team's top WR?

It's crazy enough to try at this point.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

The impression that is left with me is what I feared after the announcement of hiring UM. His team looked woefully unprepared. The first drive told you everything you need to know about the teams coaching. Khan had to have been just about fit to be tied. UM pulled the scam of the century on him. Blank checks, endless contract. Sheesh, just suckness all over.

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The impression that is left with me is what I feared after the announcement of hiring UM. His team looked woefully unprepared. The first drive told you everything you need to know about the teams coaching. Khan had to have been just about fit to be tied. UM pulled the scam of the century on him. Blank checks, endless contract. Sheesh, just suckness all over.

Not giving any final judgements until half a season or so, but if it’s bad, hopefully Meyer will pull a Saban or Petrino and mercifully leave us

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The impression that is left with me is what I feared after the announcement of hiring UM. His team looked woefully unprepared. The first drive told you everything you need to know about the teams coaching. Khan had to have been just about fit to be tied. UM pulled the scam of the century on him. Blank checks, endless contract. Sheesh, just suckness all over.

Not giving any final judgements until half a season or so, but if it’s bad, hopefully Meyer will pull a Saban or Petrino and mercifully leave us

Then throw the bag at Brian Dabol.

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Team being eaten alive on 1010 right now.

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Team being eaten alive on 1010 right now.

I wish people would stop with the "He's won everywhere he went.." garbage.

It's easy to win in college. Surround yourself with sycophantic people that understand football better than you and lie to parents to recruit the best players.

He's pretty much just straight garbage when it comes to X's and O's.

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Team being eaten alive on 1010 right now.

Look, I’m definitely disappointed and not ready for another long season where apathy sets in and I don’t enjoy football and get constant remarks that I should end my self inflicted wounds of Jags fandom and switch, BUT. 

Last year, we came out and won Week 1. Everyone and their mother, even media were praising us and saying the Jags would be better then expected. Then we lose 15 straight. The week 1 overreactions are notorious every year. Let’s give it a few games before ripping the team to shreds

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Team being eaten alive on 1010 right now.

Look, I’m definitely disappointed and not ready for another long season where apathy sets in and I don’t enjoy football and get constant remarks that I should end my self inflicted wounds of Jags fandom and switch, BUT. 

Last year, we came out and won Week 1. Everyone and their mother, even media were praising us and saying the Jags would be better then expected. Then we lose 15 straight. The week 1 overreactions are notorious every year. Let’s give it a few games before ripping the team to shreds

Three illegal formations in the first quarter.

That's a coach that has no clue what he's doing. And his body language confirmed it.

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Team being eaten alive on 1010 right now.

I wish people would stop with the "He's won everywhere he went.." garbage.

It's easy to win in college. Surround yourself with sycophantic people that understand football better than you and lie to parents to recruit the best players.

He's pretty much just straight garbage when it comes to X's and O's.

Wheres the [BLEEP] speed. That's all we heard all off season and the [BLEEP] team looked like they were stuck in low while the sorry [BLEEP] texans commence to open can after can of whoop [BLEEP] on them. How is your team so unprepared that they cannot even execute the scripted 15? Is UM so inept that he didn't have a scripted 15? Repeated illegal formations? Friggin pitiful.

I will say I do feel good about TL. Kept cool when his coach and team mates repeatedly let him down.

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Team being eaten alive on 1010 right now.

Look, I’m definitely disappointed and not ready for another long season where apathy sets in and I don’t enjoy football and get constant remarks that I should end my self inflicted wounds of Jags fandom and switch, BUT. 

Last year, we came out and won Week 1. Everyone and their mother, even media were praising us and saying the Jags would be better then expected. Then we lose 15 straight. The week 1 overreactions are notorious every year. Let’s give it a few games before ripping the team to shreds

I don't necessarily disagree but this was against the Texans. They had had the most turmoil of any team this off season. They didn't have their star QB, they didn't have a first round pick until round 3, they lost numerous key veterans on offense and defense and they had a new HC who they hired after no one wanted the job.

The Texans are the absolute worst team the Jags will face all season. Taylor is the worst QB they will face all season. They not only lost but they got blown out.

I'm still showing up to watch every Sunday but there is a LOT of work to be done and I think a lot of us are just upset we bought into the hype (again).

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Look, I’m definitely disappointed and not ready for another long season where apathy sets in and I don’t enjoy football and get constant remarks that I should end my self inflicted wounds of Jags fandom and switch, BUT. 

Last year, we came out and won Week 1. Everyone and their mother, even media were praising us and saying the Jags would be better then expected. Then we lose 15 straight. The week 1 overreactions are notorious every year. Let’s give it a few games before ripping the team to shreds

Three illegal formations in the first quarter.

That's a coach that has no clue what he's doing. And his body language confirmed it.

I posted this in another thread, but in Jimmy Johnson’s first game coaching Troy Aikman and new roster, they: 

- Were shutout 28-0
- Committed 10 penalties for 92 yards 
- turned the ball over twice 
- Aikman didn’t even crack 200 yards 

This was against a middle of the road Saints team. Familiar right?

I’m not saying Urban is going to become a great coach. My point is that even for the great college to NFL coaches, it’s a learning curve. 

Now if this crap is happening still in Week 9, yeah. Let’s release the wolves

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Look, I’m definitely disappointed and not ready for another long season where apathy sets in and I don’t enjoy football and get constant remarks that I should end my self inflicted wounds of Jags fandom and switch, BUT. 

Last year, we came out and won Week 1. Everyone and their mother, even media were praising us and saying the Jags would be better then expected. Then we lose 15 straight. The week 1 overreactions are notorious every year. Let’s give it a few games before ripping the team to shreds

I don't necessarily disagree but this was against the Texans. They had had the most turmoil of any team this off season. They didn't have their star QB, they didn't have a first round pick until round 3, they lost numerous key veterans on offense and defense and they had a new HC who they hired after no one wanted the job.

The Texans are the absolute worst team the Jags will face all season. Taylor is the worst QB they will face all season. They not only lost but they got blown out.

I'm still showing up to watch every Sunday but there is a LOT of work to be done and I think a lot of us are just upset we bought into the hype (again).

See my response above. We came out with a rookie QB, rookie Hc, new staff, mediocre at best line, and so on. 

The Colts lost to the worst team in the league week 1 last year and made the playoffs. You can’t judge overall prospects on week 1 you just can’t

You have to really give it to mid season to truly gauge what the team will be, and truly evaluate Meyer. Some would even say that’s too soon. But with the weird off-season, I think it’s not

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Then throw the bag at Brian Dabol.

Joe Brady looked awfully good guiding the Panthers again too. Another scenario where a lot of people on the board would have done a better job than the people getting the big bucks to actually do the job.

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Three illegal formations in the first quarter.

That's a coach that has no clue what he's doing. And his body language confirmed it.

I posted this in another thread, but in Jimmy Johnson’s first game coaching Troy Aikman and new roster, they: 

- Were shutout 28-0
- Committed 10 penalties for 92 yards 
- turned the ball over twice 
- Aikman didn’t even crack 200 yards 

This was against a middle of the road Saints team. Familiar right?

I’m not saying Urban is going to become a great coach. My point is that even for the great college to NFL coaches, it’s a learning curve. 

Now if this crap is happening still in Week 9, yeah. Let’s release the wolves

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I don't necessarily disagree but this was against the Texans. They had had the most turmoil of any team this off season. They didn't have their star QB, they didn't have a first round pick until round 3, they lost numerous key veterans on offense and defense and they had a new HC who they hired after no one wanted the job.

The Texans are the absolute worst team the Jags will face all season. Taylor is the worst QB they will face all season. They not only lost but they got blown out.

I'm still showing up to watch every Sunday but there is a LOT of work to be done and I think a lot of us are just upset we bought into the hype (again).

See my response above. We came out with a rookie QB, rookie Hc, new staff, mediocre at best line, and so on. 

The Colts lost to the worst team in the league week 1 last year and made the playoffs. You can’t judge overall prospects on week 1 you just can’t

You have to really give it to mid season to truly gauge what the team will be, and truly evaluate Meyer. Some would even say that’s too soon. But with the weird off-season, I think it’s not

The only reason to not run James Robinson, who as an UNDRAFTED rookie was better than Carlos Hyde could ever wet dream of being, is because Urban Meyer seriously does not understand football. Not as a professional should.

At no point in Carlos Hyde's career has he ever looked as fast, shifty or quick as James Robinson. Never. Yet he was run MORE than Robinson.

Urban truly is just a headcase.

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Three illegal formations in the first quarter.

That's a coach that has no clue what he's doing. And his body language confirmed it.

I posted this in another thread, but in Jimmy Johnson’s first game coaching Troy Aikman and new roster, they: 

- Were shutout 28-0
- Committed 10 penalties for 92 yards 
- turned the ball over twice 
- Aikman didn’t even crack 200 yards 

This was against a middle of the road Saints team. Familiar right?

I’m not saying Urban is going to become a great coach. My point is that even for the great college to NFL coaches, it’s a learning curve. 

Now if this crap is happening still in Week 9, yeah. Let’s release the wolves

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I don't necessarily disagree but this was against the Texans. They had had the most turmoil of any team this off season. They didn't have their star QB, they didn't have a first round pick until round 3, they lost numerous key veterans on offense and defense and they had a new HC who they hired after no one wanted the job.

The Texans are the absolute worst team the Jags will face all season. Taylor is the worst QB they will face all season. They not only lost but they got blown out.

I'm still showing up to watch every Sunday but there is a LOT of work to be done and I think a lot of us are just upset we bought into the hype (again).

See my response above. We came out with a rookie QB, rookie Hc, new staff, mediocre at best line, and so on. 

The Colts lost to the worst team in the league week 1 last year and made the playoffs. You can’t judge overall prospects on week 1 you just can’t

You have to really give it to mid season to truly gauge what the team will be, and truly evaluate Meyer. Some would even say that’s too soon. But with the weird off-season, I think it’s not

And who did the Texans come out with? Journeymen QB, rookie HC, new staff, worse Oline and so on......

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Then throw the bag at Brian Dabol.

Joe Brady looked awfully good guiding the Panthers again too. Another scenario where a lot of people on the board would have done a better job than the people getting the big bucks to actually do the job.

Lol

Every year people bash the "armchair GMs" and more often than not, the armchair GMs are right.

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Yeah this board definitely has a better track record on round 1 picks than the front office.

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Three illegal formations in the first quarter.

That's a coach that has no clue what he's doing. And his body language confirmed it.

I posted this in another thread, but in Jimmy Johnson’s first game coaching Troy Aikman and new roster, they: 

- Were shutout 28-0
- Committed 10 penalties for 92 yards 
- turned the ball over twice 
- Aikman didn’t even crack 200 yards 

This was against a middle of the road Saints team. Familiar right?

I’m not saying Urban is going to become a great coach. My point is that even for the great college to NFL coaches, it’s a learning curve. 

Now if this crap is happening still in Week 9, yeah. Let’s release the wolves

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I don't necessarily disagree but this was against the Texans. They had had the most turmoil of any team this off season. They didn't have their star QB, they didn't have a first round pick until round 3, they lost numerous key veterans on offense and defense and they had a new HC who they hired after no one wanted the job.

The Texans are the absolute worst team the Jags will face all season. Taylor is the worst QB they will face all season. They not only lost but they got blown out.

I'm still showing up to watch every Sunday but there is a LOT of work to be done and I think a lot of us are just upset we bought into the hype (again).

See my response above. We came out with a rookie QB, rookie Hc, new staff, mediocre at best line, and so on. 

The Colts lost to the worst team in the league week 1 last year and made the playoffs. You can’t judge overall prospects on week 1 you just can’t

You have to really give it to mid season to truly gauge what the team will be, and truly evaluate Meyer. Some would even say that’s too soon. But with the weird off-season, I think it’s not

 
I agree with all of this.

I guess what really surprises me is so many people on this board, who routinely demonstrate extensive football knowledge, are so shocked we did so badly yesterday. What it was, was Trevor Lawrence fever. Too many people convinced themselves that Sunshine was going to cure all, regardless of the fact that he's a purely raw rookie, as is the Head Coach, who are both trying leverage a team that was 1-15 last season.

Breathe people. Yes, we lost to the projected worst team in the NFL.  But truly, what ever convinced ANYONE that we could possibly be better than any team with the bad roster, an atrocious OL, and the rookie players and coaches we have? Most of you guys set the bar wayyyy too high with almost nothing realistic to set it on. 

Take off the Trevor glasses and soak in the suck. This is the reality. The good news is we will get better. Is a .250 season reachable? I thought I was being optimistic with that. But as long as we see steady improvement with the basics and things start to tighten up, there's no need to talk about burning it down, unless as Samus says, we're 9 games in and nothing is improving. Personally, I'll give it 5 games, but I'm flexible.

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1.  I agree that it was a bad day for the refs and it mostly went against us.

2.  Although I didn't object to switching to the 3-4, players matter more than scheme.  No matter what scheme you play, you need good players and they need to play it right.

3.  I wonder what the impact would have been if Griffin had made that interception.  Is it a momentum change that completely alters the complexion of the game or do the Jaguars just screw it up on the next play anyway?  As for Wingard, I was surprised he made the team.  Being a starter is almost mind-boggling.  We were lucky the impact wasn't even worse.  The Texans missed some opportunities against him today.

4.  The number of drops was surprising.  I'm hoping Chark was just rusty.  For the others, I don't know what to make of it.  I'm hoping it was just an opening game fluke.  Not every throw was perfect, but there were a bunch of catchable balls that weren't caught.

5.  I don't put much into play calling in the preseason.  Fans think of it as a game, but coaches think of it as practice.  Sometimes coaches want to practice their weakness in order to get better.  However, I do consider play calling in the regular season important and it was atrocious today.  How can we give our offensive MVP from last year, James Robinson, only 5 carries against a team that has a bad run defense?  That's inexcusable.

6.  I would have to admit that the offensive line did better than I expected.  Maybe I just had low expectations for them.  The penalties were bad, but I agree that some of them appeared to be complete fiction.

7.  Rookies

a.  I agree on Lawrence.  I'm not concerned about him.  I saw potential in his play today.  He'll cut down on the rookie mistakes.

b.  I'm sure some will inevitably blame our offensive failures this year on the loss of ETN.  "If we just had ETN, all of our problems would be solved."  If so, I don't buy it.  

c.  I hated the Campbell draft pick at the time.  Sometimes I hate it when I'm right.  All we can do is hope he improves.   

d.  Walker Little was inactive.  It's a strange move.  Meyer obviously felt more comfortable with Richardson as the backup.  I'm wondering if Meyer has a major distrust of rookies (aka Wingard over Cisco).

e.  The stat sheet shows Cisco with one tackle, but I don't recall it.

f.  Tufele was inactive.

g.  Smith was inactive.

h.  I caught a glimpse of Farrell on the field once during special teams.  If he played offense, I didn't see it.  

8.  Agnew didn't make an impact?  That's an understatement.  He had 2 punts returns for 1 yard combined.  Yes, that's right, he provided us with a grand total of 1 yard of positive field position.  How much did we pay him?  I don't get some people (include Meyer's) obsession with special teams.  Under current NFL rules, most kickoffs go for touchbacks and punt returns rarely amount to a hill of beans.

9.  While I would obviously prefer he makes every field goal, I'm not going to get upset over Lambo missing a 55 yard field goal.  That's a long field goal.

10.  I'm usually big on blaming the players and not coaches, but this is a game where I feel the coaches came up short.  They made poor personnel decisions such as starting Wingard over Cisco.  They had terrible play calling on offense.  They had bad clock management.  They also had penalties that seemed to reflect back on poor coaching such as the 12 men in the huddle and 3 illegal formations.  

11.  Agree.

2.  I agree irrespective of scheme, you need the players to run it.  That said, though it's very early and he may still develop into a good player, I shudder to think of what superior players we passed up to take Campbell at the top of round 2.

3.  Had he held onto that INT, I think it would have given the team a confidence boost.   It's reasonable to think we could have at least come out of it with a field goal.  Maybe for the first half, the game is called a little differently and for our part, there wouldn't have been such a lopsided run-pass imbalance.  Would that have assured the win?  Of course not.  It was so early in the game, and we have so many holes and made so many mistakes, it may not have changed the bottom line result.

4.  Agreed.

5.  I can sorta see how the run/pass imbalance got so out of whack, but I don't understand abandoning Robinson the way we did.  Did he get hurt?  Was this a case of UM turning to guys he knows best in crisis?

6.  This morning, Boselli was saying the OL did not perform well, no matter what the stats say.  I readily concede that may well have been the case, and been more a function of the Texans not having any viable pass rushers.  The next two games will be a much better barometer of our OL.  I am NOT confident.

7b.  I think ETN may have made a difference, but anyone pinning ALL our offensive failures either against Houston or every game this season on his absence would be misguided.

c.  Right now it's painful to watch him play.

d.  That sounds like a good theory.  Nothing else would seem to explain why Little was inactive and Cisco didn't start.  Even if Little still has a way to go before he could be considered a solid upgrade over either T, it just doesn't make much sense.

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If we would have continued running it, we would have set the record for penalties.

The NFL wanted to to showcase the 1st Overall Pick's arm and passing abilities, so refs were instructed to force the Jags to pass

As outlandish as that sounds, the penalties sure seemed to have that effect, didn't they?

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Need to assign Manhertz to follow him around the field pre-snap. Make him the Personal Protector for whoever Miller is against that play.

A traveling pass blocker?

Like a CB that travels to cover the other team's top WR?

It's crazy enough to try at this point.

Think of it more like a Safety who always rolls double coverage to Davante Adams or Tyreek Hill.

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