So, my husband has a 2014 Chevy Malibu that has the auto start feature. It also has two batteries; a main battery under the hood and an auxiliary battery in the trunk. To my understanding the aux battery runs all the electronics in the car. The aux battery went out and we replaced it two weeks ago. Case closed- right? NOPE. A module that sits on the main battery went bad and the main battery is now shot. So we get to pay just about $1K with my military discount to replace these two things. 

Not to mention the ABS module is also bad. That costs another grand that's going to have to wait because the part is backordered. 

A few months after we bought the car (used) the starter went bad and it cost $700 to replace. 

NO, NO, NO. I don't want to hear any damn thing about how awesome electric vehicles are. His car isn't an EV and we already pay out the [BLEEP] when something electrical, which is nearly everything, goes out. I don't want to know how much stuff in an EV would cost to replace. My 2002 Silverado had better last until I die because I'm not buying a vehicle that costs more to maintain than the monthly payment or whatever. You can't even buy a battery that has less than 900 cold cranking amps. 

When the alternator went out in my truck I replaced it myself. I've replaced the battery. The serpentine belt. The dash light module. And several other things. When you lift the hood you can see everything. My husband's car? All you see is plastic. I don't even know how to get to his battery or I'd replace it and the module myself. 

So no. I don't want to hear jack about how awesome EVs are and how they're going to save anything when what they'll do is make personal transportation unattainable for a lot of people. It's already absurd, the cost of vehicles. There is absolutely no reason to pay $44K for a used Dodge Challenger. I saw that one in a used car lot earlier this year. I don't care how nice it is, there is no reason it should cost $44K for a used car. 

I guess I wouldn't be so pissed off at the sticker shock if we weren't still paying off thousands in medical debt. And we have insurance that paid 70% of my surgery bill but there were other costs like diagnostics (MRI, CAT scans, blood work, etc.) that was not included in that payment plan. 

I'm gonna stop before I get too fired up. I just had to rant.

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I’m gonna preface everything I say with “I respect you “.  Mainly because I had a few and read only the first few sentences from each paragraph, that and I do like ya, kiddo. .  Sounds like your Chevy isn’t living up to expectations and the car lot is asking too much.  From my experience, the dealerships have very limited inventory.  I was trying to buy a truck for work and one for personal use.  There isn’t anything on the lots.  Only the super high end stuff.  Talking to a salesman while getting our oil changed, seems like the auto companies are using this “shortage” to their advantage.  That along with the online age.  How do you haggle  online?  You either pay the big bucks for the one on the lot or agree to , pay the agreed price online, wait “x” amount of months for vehicle to come in.  Covid [BLEEP] more than Republicans.  They [BLEEP] themselves too.  Between labor and supplies, prices have gone up drastically.  I don’t do the grocery shopping but am told those prices went up.  I do however buy vehicles welhen needed for work or business.  It’s a different world now.  The only ones on the lot are used.  And the high end ones costing 60-80k+. For a truck.  I think the dealers themselves are gearing towards online sales and orders.  Like I said, can’t haggle an online sale much.  Ball is in their court.  Much like many business’ court.  We get asked for lawn service.  Well, I’m a man or two short and prices are high on gas and material.  I’ll quote it.  If you’re willing to pay, I’ll do it.  I’d add more but it’ll be considered political

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This is the type of engine I had in my 1967 Chevrolet Chevelle. I could find everything, work on everything, replace what needed replaced with little to no hassel and generally FIX what needed to be fixed myself. You will not find me buying an EV in my lifetime, I like my cars simple and easy to understand and work on.... These newer cars, that are a P.I.T.A. to work oin so........ Now a days every mechanic is a specialist for a small area of your car, no wonder it cost so much to get them repaired....... Give me the simple things in life, A Good Scotch Whisky, a Good Beer, and a car where you can actulally find and replace things on...... </end of rant>

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Instead of a sign that says "Do Not Disturb" I need one that says "Already Disturbed Proceed With Caution."

This is the type of engine I had in my 1967 Chevrolet Chevelle. I could find everything, work on everything, replace what needed replaced with little to no hassel and generally FIX what needed to be fixed myself. You will not find me buying an EV in my lifetime, I like my cars simple and easy to understand and work on.... These newer cars, that are a P.I.T.A. to work oin so........ Now a days every mechanic is a specialist for a small area of your car, no wonder it cost so much to get them repaired....... Give me the simple things in life, A Good Scotch Whisky, a Good Beer, and a car where you can actulally find and replace things on...... </end of rant>

You talking cars or women? Seems like it could be interchangeable these days.

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Jags, I'm 60 years old.... Back in my day "Blowing a Tranny" meant you had car trouble......... (I have a shirt with that on the back lol)

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Instead of a sign that says "Do Not Disturb" I need one that says "Already Disturbed Proceed With Caution."

Modern cars are not hard to work on if you have a code reader and some understanding of electronic control. I do all my own maintenance and repairs. Many times, it's just a sensor that needs replacement. The only things I don't work on are air conditioners and transmissions because those require specialized tools/knowledge.

A couple of months ago my wife told me her car was stalling and running rough. It threw a check engine light so I read the code, consulted the Google machine, ordered the part needed (vapor canister purge valve) on Amazon for half the price it cost in the stores and replaced the next day in 5 minutes with no tools required. Had I taken it to a mechanic, that $30 part would have undoubtedly cost me hundreds in repair bills.

Modern cars are much more reliable and durable than old iron. But when they break, a little research and some basic tools can go a long way towards the ability for DIY repair.

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Jags, I'm 60 years old.... Back in my day "Blowing a Tranny" meant you had car trouble......... (I have a shirt with that on the back lol)

…fast forward to 2021 and you’re flying a rainbow flag and hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt for surgeries. My, what a handful of years does to this world.  

I think the shirt is funny.  Wear it with pride.  (Not that kind of pride). Man were  things simpler without all this BS these days.

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Modern cars are not hard to work on if you have a code reader and some understanding of electronic control. I do all my own maintenance and repairs.  Many times, it's just a sensor that needs replacement. The only things I don't work on are air conditioners and transmissions because those require specialized tools/knowledge.

A couple of months ago my wife told me her car was stalling and running rough. It threw a check engine light so I read the code, consulted the Google machine, ordered the part needed (vapor canister purge valve) on Amazon for half the price it cost in the stores and replaced the next day in 5 minutes with no tools required. Had I taken it to a mechanic, that $30 part would have undoubtedly cost me hundreds in repair bills.

Modern cars are much more reliable and durable than old iron. But when they break, a little research and some basic tools can go a long way towards the ability for DIY repair.

This post brought to you by Autozone.

 Not to disagree, but my dad and FIL were both mechanics, they both don’t like to work on modern vehicles.  One is tech savvy the other still uses OTA tv. They both recommend taking it to the dealer.

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Modern cars are not hard to work on if you have a code reader and some understanding of electronic control. I do all my own maintenance and repairs.  Many times, it's just a sensor that needs replacement. The only things I don't work on are air conditioners and transmissions because those require specialized tools/knowledge.

A couple of months ago my wife told me her car was stalling and running rough. It threw a check engine light so I read the code, consulted the Google machine, ordered the part needed (vapor canister purge valve) on Amazon for half the price it cost in the stores and replaced the next day in 5 minutes with no tools required. Had I taken it to a mechanic, that $30 part would have undoubtedly cost me hundreds in repair bills.

Modern cars are much more reliable and durable than old iron. But when they break, a little research and some basic tools can go a long way towards the ability for DIY repair.

This post brought to you by Autozone.

I'm a mechanics daughter so I know my way around a vehicle and have replaced things on my truck as needed doing exactly what you did. When his check engine light came on we pulled out the code reader to see what was up and how to fix it but the code description was ambiguous, AKA "clear as mud," and the car couldn't even be jump started. We had to call AAA to have it towed to the dealership because nothing I read online was making sense.

The guy who used to do auto maintenance and repair beyond what we are capable of doing is still rebuilding his shop after it exploded when his adult son had his racing car in there with nitrous oxide (I think that's what it's called) that was leaking and someone lit a cigarette. Bada boom. Son didn't survive.

I will still take my '02 Silverado over anything made in the last 10-15 years. It's the last great year for Chevy as far as the engine/transmission goes.

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I understand you needed to vent but what I'm hearing is that you're mad about EVs because the car you have which isn't an EV has electrical problems?

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I'm condescending. That means I talk down to you.

You bought what is a car made to a price...hmmm

You bought it used....hmmmm

And now you have problems with it.

I'm not mathematician, but 1 + 1 usually equals 2.

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The only American vehicle I’ll buy is a truck. Otherwise I go Japanese. Although, I have a Japanese truck.

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I understand you needed to vent but what I'm hearing is that you're mad about EVs because the car you have which isn't an EV has electrical problems?

My husband's car has a lot of components that are electrical in nature and when one goes down it causes a chain reaction that gets expensive to fix. If components can do this in a non-EV then what happens in an EV? Tesla had a software glitch not too long ago that make a bunch of cars unable to start. No, I want no part of any of it. 

My truck doesn't need a module to string two batteries together to run everything. Hell it doesn't need two batteries. I prefer straightforward to complicated. If I can't work on it I don't want it.

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You bought what is a car made to a price...hmmm

You bought it used....hmmmm

And now you have problems with it.

I'm not mathematician, but 1 + 1 usually equals 2.

Wasn't my decision and a lot of other things, major things, were happening at the same time. Decisions are rarely made in a vacuum.

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Modern cars are not hard to work on if you have a code reader and some understanding of electronic control. I do all my own maintenance and repairs.  Many times, it's just a sensor that needs replacement. The only things I don't work on are air conditioners and transmissions because those require specialized tools/knowledge.

A couple of months ago my wife told me her car was stalling and running rough. It threw a check engine light so I read the code, consulted the Google machine, ordered the part needed (vapor canister purge valve) on Amazon for half the price it cost in the stores and replaced the next day in 5 minutes with no tools required. Had I taken it to a mechanic, that $30 part would have undoubtedly cost me hundreds in repair bills.

Modern cars are much more reliable and durable than old iron. But when they break, a little research and some basic tools can go a long way towards the ability for DIY repair.

This post brought to you by Autozone.

Until you have a sensor thats located on the back side of the engine (front wheel drive) under the exhaust manifold behind a heat shield that you have to use a mirror to see because you cant get to it from the bottom, sensors aren't too bad to replace. Gotta love Hyundai Sonata

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Modern cars are not hard to work on if you have a code reader and some understanding of electronic control. I do all my own maintenance and repairs.  Many times, it's just a sensor that needs replacement. The only things I don't work on are air conditioners and transmissions because those require specialized tools/knowledge.

A couple of months ago my wife told me her car was stalling and running rough. It threw a check engine light so I read the code, consulted the Google machine, ordered the part needed (vapor canister purge valve) on Amazon for half the price it cost in the stores and replaced the next day in 5 minutes with no tools required. Had I taken it to a mechanic, that $30 part would have undoubtedly cost me hundreds in repair bills.

Modern cars are much more reliable and durable than old iron. But when they break, a little research and some basic tools can go a long way towards the ability for DIY repair.

This post brought to you by Autozone.

Until you have a sensor thats located on the back side of the engine (front wheel drive) under the exhaust manifold behind a heat shield that you have to use a mirror to see because you cant get to it from the bottom, sensors aren't too bad to replace. Gotta love Hyundai Sonata

You think that's bad..... I had a 1972 Pontiac GTO equiped with the optional AC unit, you had t take off the right front tire just to change the #2 spark plug thingsn were so damn tight under the hood it wasn't even funny......

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Instead of a sign that says "Do Not Disturb" I need one that says "Already Disturbed Proceed With Caution."

Modern cars are not hard to work on if you have a code reader and some understanding of electronic control. I do all my own maintenance and repairs.  Many times, it's just a sensor that needs replacement. The only things I don't work on are air conditioners and transmissions because those require specialized tools/knowledge.

A couple of months ago my wife told me her car was stalling and running rough. It threw a check engine light so I read the code, consulted the Google machine, ordered the part needed (vapor canister purge valve) on Amazon for half the price it cost in the stores and replaced the next day in 5 minutes with no tools required. Had I taken it to a mechanic, that $30 part would have undoubtedly cost me hundreds in repair bills.

Modern cars are much more reliable and durable than old iron. But when they break, a little research and some basic tools can go a long way towards the ability for DIY repair.

This post brought to you by Autozone.

Until you have a sensor thats located on the back side of the engine (front wheel drive) under the exhaust manifold behind a heat shield that you have to use a mirror to see because you cant get to it from the bottom, sensors aren't too bad to replace. Gotta love Hyundai Sonata

Replacing the crankshaft position sensor on my old Kia minivan was a PITA. The right front tire, plastic shielding between the engine and wheel well that could only be snapped together properly on the assembly line, and the engine cover had to come out just to get to it. About a year later the sensor went out again. I paid a mechanic friend of my son to do it because I had just returned from an overseas trip and didn't feel like dealing with it. I got rid of it afterwards and vowed to never buy another Korean vehicle. 

I absolutely love Japanese engineering. It's reliable, rugged, elegant and easy/economical to maintain. The only exception was my wife's old Honda CRV. Gawd, what a pain to work on anything in the engine compartment because they moved everything so far forward for weigh distribution.

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I understand you needed to vent but what I'm hearing is that you're mad about EVs because the car you have which isn't an EV has electrical problems?

My husband's car has a lot of components that are electrical in nature and when one goes down it causes a chain reaction that gets expensive to fix. If components can do this in a non-EV then what happens in an EV? Tesla had a software glitch not too long ago that make a bunch of cars unable to start. No, I want no part of any of it. 

My truck doesn't need a module to string two batteries together to run everything. Hell it doesn't need two batteries. I prefer straightforward to complicated. If I can't work on it I don't want it.

Strange thing to say when you are posting online using either a computer or smart phone.

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Until you have a sensor thats located on the back side of the engine (front wheel drive) under the exhaust manifold behind a heat shield that you have to use a mirror to see because you cant get to it from the bottom, sensors aren't too bad to replace. Gotta love Hyundai Sonata

Replacing the crankshaft position sensor on my old Kia minivan was a PITA. The right front tire, plastic shielding between the engine and wheel well that could only be snapped together properly on the assembly line, and the engine cover had to come out just to get to it. About a year later the sensor went out again. I paid a mechanic friend of my son to do it because I had just returned from an overseas trip and didn't feel like dealing with it. I got rid of it afterwards and vowed to never buy another Korean vehicle. 

I absolutely love Japanese engineering. It's reliable, rugged, elegant and easy/economical to maintain. The only exception was my wife's old Honda CRV. Gawd, what a pain to work on anything in the engine compartment because they moved everything so far forward for weigh distribution.

The Crankshaft Position Sensor is the sensor I was talking about. There are 3 different places they can be located on the 2011 Sonata and not a lot of info on the 3rd place which is where mine is. Kia-Hyundai nearly identical made by same Korean company.

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My husband's car has a lot of components that are electrical in nature and when one goes down it causes a chain reaction that gets expensive to fix. If components can do this in a non-EV then what happens in an EV? Tesla had a software glitch not too long ago that make a bunch of cars unable to start. No, I want no part of any of it. 

My truck doesn't need a module to string two batteries together to run everything. Hell it doesn't need two batteries. I prefer straightforward to complicated. If I can't work on it I don't want it.

Strange thing to say when you are posting online using either a computer or smart phone.

Not really, progress has made the total replacement cost negligible whereas trucks are getting more expensive.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Chevy is the problem not the electronics. Seriously GM sedan and coupes in the last 10 years are some of the worse designed, engineered and assembled automobiles since the 2000-2004 Chrysler Sebring. GM primary problem is isolated to the vehicles with the pcm mounted on the battery those modules fail all the time.

That said the battery itself is just a normal flooded battery and the auxiliary battery is a little pricey just because it’s not a common battery size.

Best thing you can do short of doing it yourself is always get a 2nd opinion on repairs. I had a lady yesterday come to me for a second opinion and I confirmed what the first shop told her was corrrect. I then got to offer my services a discount to earn her business, my normal prices where’s about the same as the first shop. But guess what it’s December and I want the job today so I gave her a discount to earn the work.

Use competition to shop price on everything, otherwise your paying full price which might be a fair price but it’s not the best price you can pay.

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