Hell, at this point I'd settle for watchable.

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Quick question. Do you all want the jags to lose and get the first pick, or do you want them to win and get a good winning taste back? Someone had mentioned that the first pick wasnt as important this coming up draft. I'm not sure how much more the draft order will change in the next 3 weeks.

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Someone is making jokes at the Jags expense

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"If you always do what you've always done, You'll always get what you always got"

Seriously?  

I think Mike Tannenbaum is being serious.  He was hired by Bill Parcells in 1997, when Parcells became the Jets HC after leading the Patriots to the Super Bowl the previous season.  

The Jets were 1-15 in 1996 with Rich Kotite as HC.  This, after a 3-13 season the previous season.  They went 9-7 in Parcells' first season with Neal O'Donnell as their QB.  From a physical talent standpoint, Trevor Lawrence has much higher upside potential.  With the Jaguars having a very favorable salary cap situation.

 I understand where Tannenbaum is coming from.  Yet, without saying, the Jaguars would need to make great GM and HC choices and have a favorable injury situation.  for such a leap to be a realistic possibility.

I think he’s being serious too.

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Exactly. The worst team and the best teams in the NFL aren't really separated by that much but they're gonna have to hit three or four home runs from a personnel standpoint, get the right coaches in, and most importantly Trevor is going to have to take some huge steps. 

Doing all that in one year is difficult but it's not impossible.

It's not impossible. I agree.

IT'S [BLEEP] IMPOSSIBLE.

This team still has to finish this season off and then we have to hope like hell that Khan cleans house and gets the next two hires correct at GM and HC in that order.

It has to be quick, or, not so quick. If he likes candidates on play off teams it puts them behind the 8 ball a bit.

Then it's March with free agency already. I don't know. Going to be interesting for sure. Just feels extremely desparate and urgent now.

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Haha, everyone says that until it happens. It's unlikely, I'll agree but it happens. Hell, it happened to the Jags. Twice! '96 and '17.

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I'm condescending. That means I talk down to you.

Browns got turned around REAL fast.

They almost won last night with their 3rd string corner because they got the right coach and GM.

Exactly. The worst team and the best teams in the NFL aren't really separated by that much but they're gonna have to hit three or four home runs from a personnel standpoint, get the right coaches in, and most importantly Trevor is going to have to take some huge steps. 

Doing all that in one year is difficult but it's not impossible.

The pats showed it's possible if your organization doesn't stink of incompetence. With the right coach and GM hire along with decent free agent and draft classes this team can compete for a division like the afcs.

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I mean its not impossible...... to.put ot nicely

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We have seen nothing this year that would support this premise. Possible? Sure. Probable? Not likely.

Plus, this guy isn't considering the Khan factor when it comes to hiring a GM/HC.

5-6 wins next year for any coaching staff we hire will be a huge improvement.

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

It's not impossible.  As someone pointed out, even within the Jaguars organization, we've had two major turn-arounds.  The Jaguars, coming off their expansion year, were picking #2 overall in the 1996 draft and not only made the playoffs that year, but went all of the way to the AFC Championship Game.  The 2016 Jaguars were a 3-13 team.  In 2017, they also not only made the playoffs, but went all of the way to the AFC Championship Game and was a bad call away from going to the Super Bowl.  There's plenty of other examples with other teams.

Obviously, it's not likely.  A whole lot would have to go right for the Jaguars to make a playoffs.  We would need to find a good coach, have an excellent off-season, have minimal injuries and maybe need a couple of breaks to go our way in games.  It can be done.  This team has lots of resources this off-season including over $70 million in cap space, probably the 1st pick in each round of the draft, an extra early 3rd round pick and multiple extra late round picks.  The coaching has also been horrendous which is something that can be upgraded immediately.

Our defense already shows signs of being decent and I think Hutch/Thibs would be huge.  A good pass rusher can change an entire defense.  When the Jaguars defense struggled, it was usually because Allen was injured or somehow rendered ineffective.  Hutch/Thibs would make a huge impact.

For special teams, we have a great punter and return specialist.  You can find kickers.  If not in free agency, we can use one of our 6th rounders on it.

As for offense, there's the running game and passing game.  We know that James Robinson makes a good running game when healthy and the coaches are smart enough to actually use him.  We even get to add ETN to it next year.  As for passing game, I'm still a believer in Trevor Lawrence and think he will take a big step forward next year.  Arnold and ETN being back from injury will help give him a couple of additional receiving targets.  The Jaguars need to focus on wide receiver and offensive line in the off-season.  If they are significantly upgraded, our offense could be fine too.

It is easy to be negative, but there is hope for this team.

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Tannebaum's take about it being a "historically great opening" rings true.

If you're a general manager in the making. He's right. Plenty of cap space. No concerns with paying Lawrence a veteran level salary. Decent positioning in the draft coming up.

It make sense on paper. There's also the fact that you're coming in to undo one bad year of football that the owner [BLEEP] the bed on.

So, they need you a little bit more than you need them. You also get a pass if you think about it. You're being asked to fix a team that's won just three games so far over the last two years.

If Lawrence doesn't pan out towards the end of next year or show signs of improvement early in year three when you added players, coaches, etc.

You get a pass. You could potentially end up replacing Lawrence and pinning it all on him. It'll be interesting. It's just a matter of:

A. Who the hell wants this challenge?
B. How fast can you turn it around?
C. What's your back up plan?

I find it interesting that Lawrence will or wants to have a say or sit in with the next coach hiring.

I am on the fence with that approach. Matter of fact. If I am on the opposite end of the table I am going to counter question by asking "Do you mind if I trade, draft or sign a QB that I like then? Because, apparently i'll have to have a separate offense being ran system wise with another guy incase you get hurt at some point".

He's not Rodgers, Mahomes or Brady. Let's pump the brakes on being entitled.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

It's not impossible.  As someone pointed out, even within the Jaguars organization, we've had two major turn-arounds.  The Jaguars, coming off their expansion year, were picking #2 overall in the 1996 draft and not only made the playoffs that year, but went all of the way to the AFC Championship Game.  The 2016 Jaguars were a 3-13 team.  In 2017, they also not only made the playoffs, but went all of the way to the AFC Championship Game and was a bad call away from going to the Super Bowl.  There's plenty of other examples with other teams.

Obviously, it's not likely.  A whole lot would have to go right for the Jaguars to make a playoffs.  We would need to find a good coach, have an excellent off-season, have minimal injuries and maybe need a couple of breaks to go our way in games.  It can be done.  This team has lots of resources this off-season including over $70 million in cap space, probably the 1st pick in each round of the draft, an extra early 3rd round pick and multiple extra late round picks.  The coaching has also been horrendous which is something that can be upgraded immediately.

Our defense already shows signs of being decent and I think Hutch/Thibs would be huge.  A good pass rusher can change an entire defense.  When the Jaguars defense struggled, it was usually because Allen was injured or somehow rendered ineffective.  Hutch/Thibs would make a huge impact.

For special teams, we have a great punter and return specialist.  You can find kickers.  If not in free agency, we can use one of our 6th rounders on it.

As for offense, there's the running game and passing game.  We know that James Robinson makes a good running game when healthy and the coaches are smart enough to actually use him.  We even get to add ETN to it next year.  As for passing game, I'm still a believer in Trevor Lawrence and think he will take a big step forward next year.  Arnold and ETN being back from injury will help give him a couple of additional receiving targets.  The Jaguars need to focus on wide receiver and offensive line in the off-season.  If they are significantly upgraded, our offense could be fine too.

It is easy to be negative, but there is hope for this team.

It's all about protecting the QB and giving him weapons. I would only add to this by bolstering the TE position. Arnold does okay but he's not ideal due to his lack of mass. He looks more of a rangy WR than a rugged TE.

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It's not impossible.  As someone pointed out, even within the Jaguars organization, we've had two major turn-arounds.  The Jaguars, coming off their expansion year, were picking #2 overall in the 1996 draft and not only made the playoffs that year, but went all of the way to the AFC Championship Game.  The 2016 Jaguars were a 3-13 team.  In 2017, they also not only made the playoffs, but went all of the way to the AFC Championship Game and was a bad call away from going to the Super Bowl.  There's plenty of other examples with other teams.

Obviously, it's not likely.  A whole lot would have to go right for the Jaguars to make a playoffs.  We would need to find a good coach, have an excellent off-season, have minimal injuries and maybe need a couple of breaks to go our way in games.  It can be done.  This team has lots of resources this off-season including over $70 million in cap space, probably the 1st pick in each round of the draft, an extra early 3rd round pick and multiple extra late round picks.  The coaching has also been horrendous which is something that can be upgraded immediately.

Our defense already shows signs of being decent and I think Hutch/Thibs would be huge.  A good pass rusher can change an entire defense.  When the Jaguars defense struggled, it was usually because Allen was injured or somehow rendered ineffective.  Hutch/Thibs would make a huge impact.

For special teams, we have a great punter and return specialist.  You can find kickers.  If not in free agency, we can use one of our 6th rounders on it.

As for offense, there's the running game and passing game.  We know that James Robinson makes a good running game when healthy and the coaches are smart enough to actually use him.  We even get to add ETN to it next year.  As for passing game, I'm still a believer in Trevor Lawrence and think he will take a big step forward next year.  Arnold and ETN being back from injury will help give him a couple of additional receiving targets.  The Jaguars need to focus on wide receiver and offensive line in the off-season.  If they are significantly upgraded, our offense could be fine too.

It is easy to be negative, but there is hope for this team.

It's all about protecting the QB and giving him weapons. I would only add to this by bolstering the TE position. Arnold does okay but he's not ideal due to his lack of mass. He looks more of a rangy WR than a rugged TE.

Arnold is a good keep for your F-type role, but you still need a guy to do what Urbz thought Farrell could do but probably can't. 
(block 80% of the time and occasionally get open)

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Quick question. Do you all want the jags to lose and get the first pick, or do you want them to win and get a good winning taste back? Someone had mentioned that the first pick wasnt as important this coming up draft. I'm not sure how much more the draft order will change in the next 3 weeks.

Trevor finding his path to being the future of the franchise is more important that any pick in the upcoming darft. If we win, so be it. If we lose while he starts to put things together, fine.

I don't really care where we pick, because no one player is going to make us an instant contender. As we saw this year, you have to hit on more than the early pick to have a season worth any darns.

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It's not impossible.  As someone pointed out, even within the Jaguars organization, we've had two major turn-arounds.  The Jaguars, coming off their expansion year, were picking #2 overall in the 1996 draft and not only made the playoffs that year, but went all of the way to the AFC Championship Game.  The 2016 Jaguars were a 3-13 team.  In 2017, they also not only made the playoffs, but went all of the way to the AFC Championship Game and was a bad call away from going to the Super Bowl.  There's plenty of other examples with other teams.

Obviously, it's not likely.  A whole lot would have to go right for the Jaguars to make a playoffs.  We would need to find a good coach, have an excellent off-season, have minimal injuries and maybe need a couple of breaks to go our way in games.  It can be done.  This team has lots of resources this off-season including over $70 million in cap space, probably the 1st pick in each round of the draft, an extra early 3rd round pick and multiple extra late round picks.  The coaching has also been horrendous which is something that can be upgraded immediately.

Our defense already shows signs of being decent and I think Hutch/Thibs would be huge.  A good pass rusher can change an entire defense.  When the Jaguars defense struggled, it was usually because Allen was injured or somehow rendered ineffective.  Hutch/Thibs would make a huge impact.

For special teams, we have a great punter and return specialist.  You can find kickers.  If not in free agency, we can use one of our 6th rounders on it.

As for offense, there's the running game and passing game.  We know that James Robinson makes a good running game when healthy and the coaches are smart enough to actually use him.  We even get to add ETN to it next year.  As for passing game, I'm still a believer in Trevor Lawrence and think he will take a big step forward next year.  Arnold and ETN being back from injury will help give him a couple of additional receiving targets.  The Jaguars need to focus on wide receiver and offensive line in the off-season.  If they are significantly upgraded, our offense could be fine too.

It is easy to be negative, but there is hope for this team.

It's all about protecting the QB and giving him weapons. I would only add to this by bolstering the TE position. Arnold does okay but he's not ideal due to his lack of mass. He looks more of a rangy WR than a rugged TE.

I don't disagree.  I do think Arnold is one dimensional.  Ideally, I would like a tight end who is great at both blocking and receiving.  I see quite a few tight ends mocked as day two picks.  If there's value at tight end at one of our early third or fourth round picks, I certainly wouldn't be opposed.

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[BLEEP]

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It is possible but highly unlikely.

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Respect the game.  Play with a sense of urgency. 


1.)  Take care of the ball.  Win the turnover battle.

2.)  It's all about 3rd down.  Win on 3rd down to win the game.

3.) Playmakers make plays.  The only reason that you put your uniform on is to make plays. In order to EARN your paycheck, you must make plays.  

Learn from the great collapse of 2023.  

Nope no way in hell they fix this mess is one off-season.

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Yes the Jags will be in the playoffs.

Shad Khan will pay for the team to go watch a playoff game to see what winners look like.

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So if they aren't making it next year and the overwhelming consensus is no way, when do they make it? A new rebuild starts next year, how long does the new staff get to turn it around? Two years, three?

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I'm condescending. That means I talk down to you.

The 7 team format can let an 8 win team in, so maybe

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