I remember watching those early days when there was the Tony Boselli vs Ogden arguments.

Boselli was the best for about a 5 year span.  Is that enough for the HOF?

Dwight Stephenson was the best C for a 6 year span and he made the HOF.

Gale Sayers played 68 games. He made the HOF.

When you are one of the best of all time, you make the Hall.

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“Motivation alone is not enough.  If you have an idiot and you motivate him,now you have a motivated idiot.” Jim Rohn

 

I remember watching those early days when there was the Tony Boselli vs Ogden arguments.

Boselli was the best for about a 5 year span.  Is that enough for the HOF?

Dwight Stephenson was the best C for a 6 year span and he made the HOF.

Gale Sayers played 68 games. He made the HOF.

When you are one of the best of all time, you make the Hall.

I would have loved to have seen Sayers in person; I only saw him on live TV. The Barry Sanders of his day. He did things as a running back/kick returner that hadnt been done up to that point, which is one of the reasons he is in the Hall in spite of a short career. If that can be said of Boselli, then he should be in.

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

Dwight Stephenson was the best C for a 6 year span and he made the HOF.

Gale Sayers played 68 games. He made the HOF.

When you are one of the best of all time, you make the Hall.

I would have loved to have seen Sayers in person; I only saw him on live TV.  The Barry Sanders of his day.  He did things as a running back/kick returner that hadnt been done up to that point, which is one of the reasons he is in the Hall in spite of a short career.  If that can be said of Boselli, then he should be in.

At his peak, Boselli was one of the best 3 or 4 tackles that have ever played. He was that good. If he had managed to play 10 years at or near that level, he would have made it on the first ballot. But he really only had 5 years at that level so it's a closer call.

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I'm condescending. That means I talk down to you.

I remember watching those early days when there was the Tony Boselli vs Ogden arguments.

Boselli was the best for about a 5 year span.  Is that enough for the HOF?

Dwight Stephenson was the best C for a 6 year span and he made the HOF.

Gale Sayers played 68 games. He made the HOF.

When you are one of the best of all time, you make the Hall.

The criticism here though is that the Hall has shifted from the best of all time to the most recognizeable names. There's a lot of folks getting in that just make you scratch your head, especially when deserving players who were at the top (albeit for shorter spans of time) are  getting passed.

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I remember watching those early days when there was the Tony Boselli vs Ogden arguments.

Boselli was the best for about a 5 year span.  Is that enough for the HOF?

Dwight Stephenson was the best C for a 6 year span and he made the HOF.

Gale Sayers played 68 games. He made the HOF.

When you are one of the best of all time, you make the Hall.

I think this is what makes Boselli a Hall of Famer this year.  This is not a star studded list of candidates.  For instance, Willie Anderson (OT) played 2x as many games as Boselli but only made 4 Pro Bowls.  In the meantime Boselli made 5 Pro Bowls in half the amount of time.

Back then, the Pro Bowl was a big deal whereas today it's watered down by players deferring, allowing people like Mac Freaking Jones to actually participate.  LOL  A dude that averaged 185 passing yards while throwing 9 TDs and 8 Ints in his final 7 games of the season.

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Two former Jaguars?   

https://www.nfl.com/news/pro-football-ha...ra-inducte

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It’s time. And the timing is fitting as it feels like our long term on field fortunes are about to take a turn for the better.

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Two former Jaguars?   

https://www.nfl.com/news/pro-football-ha...ra-inducte

Holt would go in as a Ram not a Jaguar. His time here was short. Rather see LeRoy Butler make it tonight along with Boselli. That would be 4 Jax native sons (Hayes, Carmichael, Dawkins already in) in the HoF plus 1 Jaguar player.

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Dwight Stephenson was the best C for a 6 year span and he made the HOF.

Gale Sayers played 68 games. He made the HOF.

When you are one of the best of all time, you make the Hall.

The criticism here though is that the Hall has shifted from the best of all time to the most recognizeable names. There's a lot of folks getting in that just make you scratch your head, especially when deserving players who were at the top (albeit for shorter spans of time) are  getting passed.

Then this bodes well, since Boselli is now a semi-high profile media personality.

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

Lol .... I just looked at Gale Sayers stats

4,956 rushing yards
1,307 receiving yards
48 TDs

In the meantime: FRED TAYLOR
11,695 rushing yards
2,384 receiving yards
74 TDs

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We find out tonight..

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

How to watch the announcement tonite:
https://sports.yahoo.com/watch-former-ja...40396.html

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Dwight Stephenson was the best C for a 6 year span and he made the HOF.

Gale Sayers played 68 games. He made the HOF.

When you are one of the best of all time, you make the Hall.

The criticism here though is that the Hall has shifted from the best of all time to the most recognizeable names. There's a lot of folks getting in that just make you scratch your head, especially when deserving players who were at the top (albeit for shorter spans of time) are  getting passed.

Yup and if they've won a Super Bowl or not. They put way too much value on if said players have won a SB, even though the HoF is an individual award and not a team award like winning a SB is. 

I mean just look as these stats below, one player is in the HoF and talked about as one of the great WRs to play the game and the other's name is never even brought up. A huge part of that is because of where they played and because of Super Bowls. It's sad.

750 catches, 11,904 receiving yards, 65 TD - HoF

862 catches, 12,287 receiving yards, 67 TD - Completely forgotten about and never even mentioned

These two WRs are Michael Irvin and Jimmy Smith.

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Lol .... I just looked at Gale Sayers stats

4,956 rushing yards
1,307 receiving yards
48 TDs

In the meantime: FRED TAYLOR
11,695 rushing yards
2,384 receiving yards
74 TDs

The criticism here though is that the Hall has shifted from the best of all time to the most recognizeable names. There's a lot of folks getting in that just make you scratch your head, especially when deserving players who were at the top (albeit for shorter spans of time) are  getting passed.

Yup and if they've won a Super Bowl or not. They put way too much value on if said players have won a SB, even though the HoF is an individual award and not a team award like winning a SB is. 

I mean just look as these stats below, one player is in the HoF and talked about as one of the great WRs to play the game and the other's name is never even brought up. A huge part of that is because of where they played and because of Super Bowls. It's sad.

750 catches, 11,904 receiving yards, 65 TD - HoF

862 catches, 12,287 receiving yards, 67 TD - Completely forgotten about and never even mentioned

These two WRs are Michael Irvin and Jimmy Smith.

Its not always about a Super Bowl; look at the stats of Sayers and Taylor provided above by HURRICANE. Sayers in, Taylor not. Chicago vs. Jax? why? didnt both players play against the entire league? Why is Jax slighted? its stupid and unexplainable.

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

Lol .... I just looked at Gale Sayers stats

4,956 rushing yards
1,307 receiving yards
48 TDs

In the meantime: FRED TAYLOR
11,695 rushing yards
2,384 receiving yards
74 TDs

Yup and if they've won a Super Bowl or not. They put way too much value on if said players have won a SB, even though the HoF is an individual award and not a team award like winning a SB is. 

I mean just look as these stats below, one player is in the HoF and talked about as one of the great WRs to play the game and the other's name is never even brought up. A huge part of that is because of where they played and because of Super Bowls. It's sad.

750 catches, 11,904 receiving yards, 65 TD - HoF

862 catches, 12,287 receiving yards, 67 TD - Completely forgotten about and never even mentioned

These two WRs are Michael Irvin and Jimmy Smith.

Its not always about a Super Bowl; look at the stats of Sayers and Taylor provided above by HURRICANE.  Sayers in, Taylor not.  Chicago vs. Jax?  why?  didnt both players play against the entire league?  Why is Jax slighted?  its stupid and unexplainable.

Gale was THAT DUDE when he played though right? From what 65-70? What other great RBs did he contend with during that time frame? I know Jim Brown's last season was 1965. This was obviously all way before my time started on this planet.

Part of why Taylor gets forgotten, besides the market he played in is because he played with some other big time RBs during that time. Tomlinson, Bettis, Eddie George, Curtis Martin, Emmitt Smith, Ricky Williams, Marshall Faulk, Priest Holmes, Edgerrin James etc. etc, just to name a few off the top of my head. There were plenty of others, but Taylor played in a era with a bunch of great RBs.

That's not to say he isn't up there, he was one of the greatest to ever do it and maybe the most underrated RB of all time, but the market he played in and the other Backs in the league at that time are a big reason why he always gets forgotten, sadly. It's wrong and he deserves to be in the HoF as well.

Taylor is currently 17th on the All Time NFL rushing leaders list. Every player ahead of him besides Frank Gore (at #3) and Adrian Peterson (at #5) are in the HoF. It's only a matter of time before Gore and Peterson get in as well. Then there's about 20 more guys behind Taylor on the list that are in the HoF as well.

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Its not always about a Super Bowl; look at the stats of Sayers and Taylor provided above by HURRICANE.  Sayers in, Taylor not.  Chicago vs. Jax?  why?  didnt both players play against the entire league?  Why is Jax slighted?  its stupid and unexplainable.

Gale was THAT DUDE when he played though right? From what 65-70? What other great RBs did he contend with during that time frame? I know Jim Brown's last season was 1965. This was obviously all way before my time started on this planet.

Part of why Taylor gets forgotten, besides the market he played in is because he played with some other big time RBs during that time. Tomlinson, Bettis, Eddie George, Curtis Martin, Emmitt Smith, Ricky Williams, Marshall Faulk, Priest Holmes, Edgerrin James etc. etc, just to name a few off the top of my head. There were plenty of others, but Taylor played in a era with a bunch of great RBs.

That's not to say he isn't up there, he was one of the greatest to ever do it and maybe the most underrated RB of all time, but the market he played in and the other Backs in the league at that time are a big reason why he always gets forgotten, sadly. It's wrong and he deserves to be in the HoF as well.

Taylor is currently 17th on the All Time NFL rushing leaders list. Every player ahead of him besides Frank Gore (at #3) and Adrian Peterson (at #5) are in the HoF. It's only a matter of time before Gore and Peterson get in as well. Then there's about 20 more guys behind Taylor on the list that are in the HoF as well.

Sayers was unique for his era, and so that helped a bunch. Leroy Kelley of the NFL and Jim Nance (not the broadcaster) of the AFL were his closest equals at the time. Its insane that there are 20 behind him that are in. That seems like obvious team bias, the 'era of rushing' notwithstanding. Guess the passing era QB's are going to face the same questions in a few years.

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

Gale was THAT DUDE when he played though right? From what 65-70? What other great RBs did he contend with during that time frame? I know Jim Brown's last season was 1965. This was obviously all way before my time started on this planet.

Part of why Taylor gets forgotten, besides the market he played in is because he played with some other big time RBs during that time. Tomlinson, Bettis, Eddie George, Curtis Martin, Emmitt Smith, Ricky Williams, Marshall Faulk, Priest Holmes, Edgerrin James etc. etc, just to name a few off the top of my head. There were plenty of others, but Taylor played in a era with a bunch of great RBs.

That's not to say he isn't up there, he was one of the greatest to ever do it and maybe the most underrated RB of all time, but the market he played in and the other Backs in the league at that time are a big reason why he always gets forgotten, sadly. It's wrong and he deserves to be in the HoF as well.

Taylor is currently 17th on the All Time NFL rushing leaders list. Every player ahead of him besides Frank Gore (at #3) and Adrian Peterson (at #5) are in the HoF. It's only a matter of time before Gore and Peterson get in as well. Then there's about 20 more guys behind Taylor on the list that are in the HoF as well.

Sayers was unique for his era, and so that helped a bunch. Leroy Kelley of the NFL and Jim Nance (not the broadcaster) of the AFL were his closest equals at the time. Its insane that there are 20 behind him that are in. That seems like obvious team bias, the 'era of rushing' notwithstanding. Guess the passing era QB's are going to face the same questions in a few years.

I don't think it's unfair to note that the players of 60s, 70s, and 80s cannot be compared to players today (with a few exceptions). Today's players are bigger, stronger, faster, and more skilled (as a group). Fred, Jimmy, and those guys played against better competition in 90s and 00s and still put up great numbers. IMO, the reason you have Irvin in the HoF is that he was on the Cowboys and is a media personality. His numbers are fine. And he was really good. But is he objectively better than Jimmy Smith? No way.

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Fix the O-Line!

I get tired of the bigger faster now is better than the past stuff. For a long time I viewed Joe Montana as the GOAT it is only here in the past few years I had to admit Brady passed him.

Competetors would do it in any era and had other issues they had to overcome.

I really really think Freddy T was so darn electric that he needs to be in the hall. Jim Brown is in his corner.

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The Khan Years

Patience, Persistence, and Piss Poor General Managers.

The criticism here though is that the Hall has shifted from the best of all time to the most recognizeable names. There's a lot of folks getting in that just make you scratch your head, especially when deserving players who were at the top (albeit for shorter spans of time) are  getting passed.

Yup and if they've won a Super Bowl or not. They put way too much value on if said players have won a SB, even though the HoF is an individual award and not a team award like winning a SB is. 

I mean just look as these stats below, one player is in the HoF and talked about as one of the great WRs to play the game and the other's name is never even brought up. A huge part of that is because of where they played and because of Super Bowls. It's sad.

750 catches, 11,904 receiving yards, 65 TD - HoF

862 catches, 12,287 receiving yards, 67 TD - Completely forgotten about and never even mentioned

These two WRs are Michael Irvin and Jimmy Smith.

Keenan McCardell's numbers comes pretty darn close too.  He even has more catches.  

883 catches, 11,373 receiving yards, 63 TD

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Two former Jaguars?   

https://www.nfl.com/news/pro-football-ha...ra-inducte

Holt would go in as a Ram not a Jaguar. His time here was short. Rather see LeRoy Butler make it tonight along with Boselli. That would be 4 Jax native sons (Hayes, Carmichael, Dawkins already in) in the HoF plus 1 Jaguar player.

Unlike baseball, NFL hall of famers don't "go in" with a certain team.  Their team affiliations are listed equally.  Technically, it would mean two former Jaguars in the hall of fame if they both made it.  But yeah, Boselli was drafted by Jacksonville and played all of his games here.  Holt played one insignificant season at the end of his career.

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