(04-08-2022, 09:46 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote:

(04-08-2022, 09:22 AM)Bullseye Wrote: (emphasis added)

Very few things in football are 100% guaranteed.  Anyone claiming even tacitly or expressly after one year that he is 100% destined to be a bust is not to be taken seriously as a football fan.

Short pop Quiz

1.  There was once a rookie QB that threw more INTs than TDs, threw 28 INTs (worst in the league in that category), and finished 3-13 as a rookie starter. 

Bust?


2.  There was another QB that was winless as a rookie (0-11), completed 52.9% of his passes, and threw twice as many INTs (18) as TDs (9)


Bust?

3.  There was still another rookie QB that got no playing time as a rookie, and partied so much he was traded away after one season. After three seasons, he still threw more INTs (39) than TDs (37).

Bust?

4.  Yet another rookie QB competed only 52.8 % of his passes and had more INTs )12) than TDs (10).

Bust?


Answer Key:

1.  Not a bust.  That QB was Peyton Manning.

2.  Not a bust.  That QB was Troy Aikman.

3.  Not a bust.  That QB was Brett Favre.

4.  Not a bust.  That QB was Buffalo's Josh Allen.

Keep in mind Tevor Lawrence had numbers last year comparable or superior to all of the others in most categories.

TL had as many wins his rookie year than Peyton Manning and threw fewer INTs.  Manning had the benefit of a stud WR already on the roster in Marvin Harrison, and a stud RB in Marshall Faulk, and a stud LT in Tarik Glenn.

TL had three more wins had a higher completion percentage, threw more TDs and fewer INTs than Troy Aikman.

TL was better in all categories his first year than Brett Favre.

TL had a higher completion percentage and threw more TDs than Josh Allen.

Were you  truly as passionate and knowledgeable a fan as you purport, you'd know not to thump your chest over a QBs rookie year struggles, and you'd know that QBs develop over time.  Let it play out.

Source:  profootballreference.com

Thus endeth the lesson.

Short pop Quiz

1.  There was once a rookie QB that threw more INTs than TDs, threw 28 INTs (worst in the league in that category), and finished 3-13 as a rookie starter. 

Bust? I never called Trevor a bust. 2. That QB also has 26 Tds along with the 28 INTS and had flashes of brilliance, Trevor didn't. 


2.  There was another QB that was winless as a rookie (0-11), completed 52.9% of his passes, and threw twice as many INTs (18) as TDs (9)


Bust? Not a bust, but also a product of playing on one of the most stacked offenses in the history of the NFL, and was not deemed one of the best cant miss prospects in decades when drafted. 

3.  There was still another rookie QB that got no playing time as a rookie, and partied so much he was traded away after one season. After three seasons, he still threw more INTs (39) than TDs (37). Technically he was a bust for the team that took him. Again I still have yet to ever even consider Trevor a bust, so this dosen't make any sense? 

Bust?

4.  Yet another rookie QB competed only 52.8 % of his passes and had more INTs )12) than TDs (10).

Bust? Refer to answer #3


And again, i'm not calling him a bust and am also not judging him specifically for his "rookie struggles". My argument towards Trevor from prior to him being on our team has been his flaws, and the medias fantasy that he has none.

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1.  If you don't think on any level Trevor Lawrence will be a bust, why are you thumping your chest over his rookie struggles?  That makes zero sense.  Historically, rookie QBs struggle, especially when drafted by awful teams. Even assuming you predicted he would struggle as a rookie, it doesn't take a whole lot of insight to conclude that given the circumstances.  As for Manningm in the other thread, according to you, league leading INTs trumped every other consideration.  "It makes you bottom of the barrel."  There was no credit for "flashes of brilliance." even though with the Bucs, Winston actually threw MORE TDs than the league leading 30 INTs he threw,  Which is it?

2.  Aikman wasn't touted as one of the best QB prospects in a decade?!?  Are you kidding me?!? I've been following the draft since 1983.  I've got every draft dating back to 1990 on video.  Only Elway and Kelly were more highly regarded ny him as rookie prospects in that decade.  To this day, Kiper states Aikman was one of the most highly regarded QB prospects he ever saw.   https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/3092...kes-top-10 Try spreading that propaganda to someone who wasn't around during that time. 

Furthermore, of COURSE QBs can benefit from having superior talent around them.  I don't know what your issue is with your situational ethics regarding players and coaches with talent around them.  If QBs benefit from having superior talent around them, doesn't it stand to reason they can be harmed by the lack of talent around them?!?  How does this apply to Lawrence?

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