Ugh annoying to see all these rumors about us passing by up Hutch. Would be a big mistake. Not a time to get too cute, Gene Smith style, and reach for a less obvious pick. Hopefully the rumors are just that, and we Hutch off the board to the jags .

Happens every year. People get bored with putting the same person down for #1 that they have to switch it up.

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Baalke gets no credit for taking the chalk guy that literally 99% of the fans could have made. He gets a lot of credit if he passes on Hutch and takes the gamble on Walker, if it works out.

If Baalke does take Walker it feels like it would be an ego play to me.

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Ugh annoying to see all these rumors about us passing by up Hutch. Would be a big mistake. Not a time to get too cute, Gene Smith style, and reach for a less obvious pick. Hopefully the rumors are just that, and we Hutch off the board to the jags .

Happens every year. People get bored with putting the same person down for #1 that they have to switch it up.

I mean I kind of worry that the decision for Hutch is based so much on his floor being really high, but what if that is miscalculated?

Going for the "safe" play, especially with the No. 1 pick, Jags have to accurately measure the risk. If we are saying Hutch has a very high chance of a floor as a yearly 10~ sack, 30~ QB pressure player, then he should definitely be the pick. But if we are looking at lower likely floor than that, going for a player with a higher ceiling would be better strategy.

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Happens every year. People get bored with putting the same person down for #1 that they have to switch it up.

I mean I kind of worry that the decision for Hutch is based so much on his floor being really high, but what if that is miscalculated?

Going for the "safe" play, especially with the No. 1 pick, Jags have to accurately measure the risk. If we are saying Hutch has a very high chance of a floor as a yearly 10~ sack, 30~ QB pressure player, then he should definitely be the pick. But if we are looking at lower likely floor than that, going for a player with a higher ceiling would be better strategy.

I'm not totally sure that Hutch is the best player in this draft (I think he's really good) but I do think he's the safest and the Jags can not afford to miss on this pick.

If they roll with Neal/Walker/Icky and they are a bust, it will be a #BecauseJaguars moment. Missing on Hutch though would mean that everyone would have missed because he's the consensus top dude right now.

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I mean I kind of worry that the decision for Hutch is based so much on his floor being really high, but what if that is miscalculated?

Going for the "safe" play, especially with the No. 1 pick, Jags have to accurately measure the risk. If we are saying Hutch has a very high chance of a floor as a yearly 10~ sack, 30~ QB pressure player, then he should definitely be the pick. But if we are looking at lower likely floor than that, going for a player with a higher ceiling would be better strategy.

I'm not totally sure that Hutch is the best player in this draft (I think he's really good) but I do think he's the safest and the Jags can not afford to miss on this pick.

If they roll with Neal/Walker/Icky and they are a bust, it will be a #BecauseJaguars moment. Missing on Hutch though would mean that everyone would have missed because he's the consensus top dude right now.

Just like Joeckel was in his draft.

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I mean I kind of worry that the decision for Hutch is based so much on his floor being really high, but what if that is miscalculated?

Going for the "safe" play, especially with the No. 1 pick, Jags have to accurately measure the risk. If we are saying Hutch has a very high chance of a floor as a yearly 10~ sack, 30~ QB pressure player, then he should definitely be the pick. But if we are looking at lower likely floor than that, going for a player with a higher ceiling would be better strategy.

I'm not totally sure that Hutch is the best player in this draft (I think he's really good) but I do think he's the safest and the Jags can not afford to miss on this pick.

If they roll with Neal/Walker/Icky and they are a bust, it will be a #BecauseJaguars moment. Missing on Hutch though would mean that everyone would have missed because he's the consensus top dude right now.

Is he though? I read/listen to many mock or draft guys projecting him to Jags because they believe Jags are taking safest pick, not the guy with a chance to challenge for Canton.

I totally understand not wanting to make the mistake, but if a few of the other top 5 do get closer to their ceilings higher than Hutch, it will still be interpreted as a #BecauseJaguars moment

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Baalke gets no credit for taking the chalk guy that literally 99% of the fans could have made. He gets a lot of credit if he passes on Hutch and takes the gamble on Walker, if it works out.

If Baalke does take Walker it feels like it would be an ego play to me.

LOL

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I'm not totally sure that Hutch is the best player in this draft (I think he's really good) but I do think he's the safest and the Jags can not afford to miss on this pick.

If they roll with Neal/Walker/Icky and they are a bust, it will be a #BecauseJaguars moment. Missing on Hutch though would mean that everyone would have missed because he's the consensus top dude right now.

Is he though? I read/listen to many mock or draft guys projecting him to Jags because they believe Jags are taking safest pick, not the guy with a chance to challenge for Canton.

I totally understand not wanting to make the mistake, but if a few of the other top 5 do get closer to their ceilings higher than Hutch, it will still be interpreted as a #BecauseJaguars moment

I don't disagree at all with what you're saying but I can see the Jags reasoning (which they'll never admit) if they do believe Hutch is the safest.

Hutchinson has zero character concerns, zero work ethic concerns and has a high motor. This will likely lead to him being a consistently good player in the NFL. Now if he can couple that with learning a few pass rush moves, he can then become a great player. I can't fault the Jags for taking Hutchinson because my guess is that most GMs and teams would do the same.

With all that said, trade down is still the best option lol

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What we need to do is draft the best 4-3 defensive end and make him play in a 3-4 scheme. Jags tend to do that from time to time and it hasn't worked out too well.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

I'm not totally sure that Hutch is the best player in this draft (I think he's really good) but I do think he's the safest and the Jags can not afford to miss on this pick.

If they roll with Neal/Walker/Icky and they are a bust, it will be a #BecauseJaguars moment. Missing on Hutch though would mean that everyone would have missed because he's the consensus top dude right now.

Just like Joeckel was in his draft.

Not everyone thought Joeckel was a sure thing. I was infuriated when we drafted him. Personally, I wanted us to select DeAndre Hopkins, but his stock was falling, because of an incident at a hotel room where it was trashed. It was a bad look, but I thought Hopkin's talent outweighed that and in the grand scheme of things, players had been accused of doing way, way worse. I also remember the 2013 draft being one of the weakest I had ever seen. I had Eric Fisher as my #1 overall player (which I would have whiffed on as well,) but once he got drafted we needed to go in another direction. I hated Texas A&M OT's, because they all showed good footwork, but lacked functional strength and got destroyed by bull rushers. If you had a good bull rusher, Joeckel was as effective as a speed bump.

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Is he though? I read/listen to many mock or draft guys projecting him to Jags because they believe Jags are taking safest pick, not the guy with a chance to challenge for Canton.

I totally understand not wanting to make the mistake, but if a few of the other top 5 do get closer to their ceilings higher than Hutch, it will still be interpreted as a #BecauseJaguars moment

I don't disagree at all with what you're saying but I can see the Jags reasoning (which they'll never admit) if they do believe Hutch is the safest.

Hutchinson has zero character concerns, zero work ethic concerns and has a high motor. This will likely lead to him being a consistently good player in the NFL. Now if he can couple that with learning a few pass rush moves, he can then become a great player. I can't fault the Jags for taking Hutchinson because my guess is that most GMs and teams would do the same.

With all that said, trade down is still the best option lol

Agreed. I just don't see that happening though.

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I'm not buying the safest player bs. I think they take the best player which is Hutch imo. PFF had him rated as the highest rated player in college last year as well. Tony Wiggins still thinks we should take Neal and I wouldn't hate that but not doing drills at the combine is bit of a red flag.

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I'm not buying the safest player bs.  I think they take the best player which is Hutch imo.  PFF had him rated as the highest rated defender as well.  Tony Wiggins still thinks we should take Neal and I wouldn't hate that but not doing drills at the combine is bit of a red flag.

It looks like he's both best and safest. I just wonder if he's a good fit for a 3-4? I get we'll be in a 4-2 a lot since it's nickel and Doug said so but I still wonder a bit about that.

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I'm not buying the safest player bs.  I think they take the best player which is Hutch imo.  PFF had him rated as the highest rated defender as well.  Tony Wiggins still thinks we should take Neal and I wouldn't hate that but not doing drills at the combine is bit of a red flag.

It looks like he's both best and safest. I just wonder if he's a good fit for a 3-4? I get we'll be in a 4-2 a lot since it's nickel and Doug said so but I still wonder a bit about that.

Yes he's a good fit for a 3-4, this past year when he was the best player in college he played standing up on the edge as a 3-4 OLB.  He even stated that's where he feels he's best and it showed this past year

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https://twitter.com/jc_shelton_/status/1...ASrK9rpZcQ

That may send me over the edge.

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Why? He is a 43 DE.

Exactly. Walker is a perfect fit for the Lions who are returning to a 4-3 scheme. Walker was a 3-4 DE. Trying to make him a 3-4 OLB is like teaching him an entirely new position. It would be a terrible move. Hutchinson is the best player in the draft and he has experience as a 4-3 DE and a 3-4 OLB, like where he would play with the Jaguars. I'm hoping these reports are just smokescreens and mis-directions that teams like to put out right before the draft.

How much benefit is there in misdirection when you have the #1 overall pick?  My hope is that the Jaguars are just doing their due diligence on Walker in case trade down opportunities are offered.

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That may send me over the edge.

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Exactly. Walker is a perfect fit for the Lions who are returning to a 4-3 scheme. Walker was a 3-4 DE. Trying to make him a 3-4 OLB is like teaching him an entirely new position. It would be a terrible move. Hutchinson is the best player in the draft and he has experience as a 4-3 DE and a 3-4 OLB, like where he would play with the Jaguars. I'm hoping these reports are just smokescreens and mis-directions that teams like to put out right before the draft.

How much benefit is there in misdirection when you have the #1 overall pick?  My hope is that the Jaguars are just doing their due diligence on Walker in case trade down opportunities are offered.

Yeah, the only misdirection that would help the Jags would be somehow convincing a team they have to trade up to No. 1 to get their guy -- maybe Carolina, Giants or Seattle wanting a QB.

Unfortunately, I don't think Baalke would have the gall to try it, I don't anyone in the league would believe Baalke if he tried to pull that off, and I have a decent feeling none of those teams will trade up at all. At best, maybe only 1 even drafts a QB.

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https://twitter.com/jordandelugo/status/...qGoyePYA3Q

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https://twitter.com/jordandelugo/status/...qGoyePYA3Q

Is this supposed to be high or low? It all makes sense now

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https://twitter.com/jordandelugo/status/...qGoyePYA3Q

Is this supposed to be high or low?  It all makes sense now

Well, he's saying that some scouts (according to Brugler) think Thib's is going to struggle in the NFL.
At least that's my take on it. I mean, we all know how Beasley turned out. 

Might explain some of the board climbing Walker has done lately.

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Is this supposed to be high or low?  It all makes sense now

Well, he's saying that some scouts (according to Brugler) think Thib's is going to struggle in the NFL.
At least that's my take on it. I mean, we all know how Beasley turned out. 

Might explain some of the board climbing Walker has done lately.

I always liked Beasley but as a pass rush specialist.  You don't take a guy in the top 10 that's not a 3 down player imo.  He was just way to undersized.  He was a huge liability in the run game which was going to be a given with his size

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That may send me over the edge.

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Exactly. Walker is a perfect fit for the Lions who are returning to a 4-3 scheme. Walker was a 3-4 DE. Trying to make him a 3-4 OLB is like teaching him an entirely new position. It would be a terrible move. Hutchinson is the best player in the draft and he has experience as a 4-3 DE and a 3-4 OLB, like where he would play with the Jaguars. I'm hoping these reports are just smokescreens and mis-directions that teams like to put out right before the draft.

How much benefit is there in misdirection when you have the #1 overall pick?  My hope is that the Jaguars are just doing their due diligence on Walker in case trade down opportunities are offered.

Lets other teams know you are considering other players, so if they want to move up, they have an idea of where we want to land in order to make the deal happen?
It keeps the team from being so infatuated with one player, especially in a darft like this year, that they don't put any effort into due diligence on the rest of the field?
If Hutch and Walker have the same agent (or if that agent reps other players in the league), future talks might go smoother if we do Walker a solid and talk him up ahead of the darft.

It's all part of the game.

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