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Bruce Arians retiring and moving in the front office
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03-30-2022, 08:26 PM
(This post was last modified: 03-30-2022, 08:29 PM by flgatorsandjags. Edited 1 time in total.)
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/...dSpVmVMQKw
Bucs didn't even make Byron HC. Jags fans are the only ones that wanted as him as a HC lol https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/...eVh-LZ45Ug We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (03-30-2022, 08:26 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/...dSpVmVMQKw Well isn't that interesting. (well a bit awkward) After all the gushing by those in that organization about how deserving and good Byron was then not give him a chance? Knew they were trying to sell him to someone, anyone for a reason. Glad Kahn didn't bite this time.
A new broom always sweeps clean.
(03-30-2022, 10:09 PM)Jag149 Wrote:(03-30-2022, 08:26 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/...dSpVmVMQKw That's what it seems. I'm glad he didn't as well
Not surprising, Byron has not done anything to suggest he's a headcoach in this league. But we have some of the dumbest fans in the entire NFL here between the Tim Tebow loving urban meyer apologist so it wasn't shocking.
03-31-2022, 06:15 AM
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Some of these takes won't age well. One can be sincere in promoting Byron to others as a good HC candidate and still think Bowles is a better choice based on his resume.
Good for Arian and the Bucs. This move gives me a lot of respect for him, especially after reading articles about his statement, etc. Wanting to set up a long-time protege and colleage for success shows the kind of character we don't see often. ![[Image: giphy.gif]](https://media.giphy.com/media/qxkQ5PLLCnXW0/giphy.gif) We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (03-31-2022, 05:22 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: Not surprising, Byron has not done anything to suggest he's a headcoach in this league. But we have some of the dumbest fans in the entire NFL here between the Tim Tebow loving urban meyer apologist so it wasn't shocking. We are borderline cannibalistic. I popped into this thread just to see the group who was against the byron hire fire some shots at the pro byron crowd. You didn’t disappoint. I do the same thing but we seem to make it more of a fixture than I see from other fanbases. Look, a story that has little to nothing to do with the jags, let’s take this opportunity to fire some shots at our own fanbase lol. #becausejaguars
This leaves Leftwich in an almost no-win situation. Brady is back. Most of the team is back. If the Bucs do indeed return to the Superbowl and even manage to win it, most of the credit will go to Todd Bowles. If they don't, and the offense sputters, then most of the blame will probably fall on Leftwich.
"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies." - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption
I found it to be extremely hypocritical that the Bucs were touting Leftwich to be extremely ready to be a head coach in the NFL but when they ultimately had to make a decision, they went with a different candidate. Not only did they go a different route, they also gave Bowles a 5-year contract, which clearly shows they have no intention on making Leftwich their head coach now or in the long term future. Personally, I think Leftwich went though the interview process in the recent months (with the Jags and Saints) thinking he kind of had the Bucs job in his back pocket when Arians retired after this season, so he'd only have to wait 1 year to get promoted and already have his core team in place.
We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (03-30-2022, 08:26 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/...dSpVmVMQKw This struck me as odd. I really expected Arians to be passing the torch to Byron, I wonder if TB had any input in who got HC duty (maybe he prefers Byron to remain focused on calling the offense). I'll be interested to see how he takes the news, but fully expect he'll take an HC job somewhere else next season. (03-31-2022, 05:22 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: Not surprising, Byron has not done anything to suggest he's a headcoach in this league. But we have some of the dumbest fans in the entire NFL here between the Tim Tebow loving urban meyer apologist so it wasn't shocking. I'm debating two responses 1) Rule one of life is to never incriminate yourself 2) I feel seen I guess we'll treat this like a choose your own adventure, and you can pick the response you prefer.
03-31-2022, 10:26 AM
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(03-31-2022, 05:22 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: Not surprising, Byron has not done anything to suggest he's a headcoach in this league. But we have some of the dumbest fans in the entire NFL here between the Tim Tebow loving urban meyer apologist so it wasn't shocking. What's Todd Bowles done again? Oh that's right.. sucked [BLEEP] everywhere he's ever been. (03-31-2022, 05:22 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: Not surprising, Byron has not done anything to suggest he's a headcoach in this league. But we have some of the dumbest fans in the entire NFL here between the Tim Tebow loving urban meyer apologist so it wasn't shocking. Were you not an Urban Meyer apologist?????? LOL I'll take "Glass Houses" for 600, Alex. ![[Image: giphy.gif]](https://media.giphy.com/media/f3dSsFcakGhKgUT5Nl/giphy.gif)
We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (03-31-2022, 05:22 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: Not surprising, Byron has not done anything to suggest he's a headcoach in this league. But we have some of the dumbest fans in the entire NFL here between the Tim Tebow loving urban meyer apologist so it wasn't shocking.(emphasis added) Nothing except play QB in the NFL, play on a Super Bowl winning team as a player, and be offensive coordinator for another Super Bowl winning team. That is a better resume than Sean McVay and Zac Taylor when they first became head coaches in the league. Sean NcVay's coachig career https://www.pro-football-reference.com/c...cVaSe0.htm Zac Taylor's coaaching career https://www.pro-football-reference.com/c...aylZa0.htm Byron Leftwich's playing career https://www.pro-football-reference.com/p...ftBy00.htm Byron Leftwich's coaching career https://www.pro-football-reference.com/c...eftBy0.htm For additional perspective Doug Pederson's coaching career https://www.pro-football-reference.com/c...edeDo0.htm Jon Gruden's coaching career /www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/GrudJo0.htm Considering most NFL head coaches have been coordinators before becoming first time NFL head coaches, you can make a strong argument that Byron Leftwich was more qualified to become a head coach than any of the other candidates listed above. Zac Taylor had one year total as an offensive coordinator, and that was at the University of Cincinnati, NOT in the NFL. Leftwich had 5 as an NFL OC. Jon Gruden had three seasons as an OC before becoming a head coach. Sean McVay had three seasons as an NFL OC before becoming a head coach. Doug Pederson had 3 years as an NFL OC before becoming Eagles' HC. None of the other guys listed won a Super Bowl or even reached a Super Bowl as an OC. Leftwich did. With the above in mind, I do not understand the basis for suggesting Leftwich hasn't shown anything to suggest he could be a head coach in this league. Not only did he have a longer NFL career than most of the other coaches named above, he spent more time as an offensive coordinator on the NFL level than all of the guys listed above before they were hired. The presumption of being unqualified is exactly why things like the Rooney rule are needed. Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
To tie in with Bullseye's post, I read today that the immediate hire of Bowles was possible because the Rooney Rule does not apply after March 1. I had never known that, but for some power-trippy owner or GM, it could afford them the ability to fire a coach and immediately place their coach of choice in the spot with no negative consequence other than some questions from fans and media.
I kinda wonder if Arians new about that aspect of the rule when timing his resignation. Waiting an extra month makes it seem less of an exploit, but may have also affected FA for the team. (03-31-2022, 02:00 PM)Mikey Wrote: To tie in with Bullseye's post, I read today that the immediate hire of Bowles was possible because the Rooney Rule does not apply after March 1. I had never known that, but for some power-trippy owner or GM, it could afford them the ability to fire a coach and immediately place their coach of choice in the spot with no negative consequence other than some questions from fans and media. Assuming their coach of choice is still available after March 1, that is correct. But presumably, a post March 1 coaching hire would be very rare because there will usually be a race by teams to interview and hire coaches in the immediate aftermath of the season. Without knowing who the coach is, you won't know what sort of schemes would be run, nor would they know what sort of players would be needed for those schemes. At that stage of the game, the all star games will have been played and the combine will be done. In the Tampa instance here, at least the opening phase of free agency would be gone, and the pro day workouts and visits will have begun. The only way that is feasible is if you promote from within with scheme certainty already well established with the front office/scouting department. Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (03-31-2022, 09:17 AM)NH3 Wrote: I too am wondering why Leftwich didn't get the HC position. Look no further than Bowles 27 years of coaching experience to Leftwich's 7 years. If Arians comments and compliments from last year regarding Leftwich are sincere and accurate, Byron will get his shot at a head coaching gig soon enough. (03-31-2022, 05:35 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:I also heard that a big reason was that minority coaches rarely get a second HC gig.(03-31-2022, 09:17 AM)NH3 Wrote: I too am wondering why Leftwich didn't get the HC position. Byron will get his (likely next year) but this may be Bowles last shot. (03-31-2022, 01:51 PM)Bullseye Wrote:(03-31-2022, 05:22 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: Not surprising, Byron has not done anything to suggest he's a headcoach in this league. But we have some of the dumbest fans in the entire NFL here between the Tim Tebow loving urban meyer apologist so it wasn't shocking.(emphasis added) Agree that Byron is more than qualified. He should get his chance soon, and it sounded like he was very close this past cycle. Disagree that the Rooney rule is helpful. |
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