(04-03-2022, 02:38 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: (04-02-2022, 08:18 PM)Bullseye Wrote: INTs DO matter, but that isn't necessarily the result of poor playcalling or poor offensive design...things that would indicate a faulty offensive coordinator. The same offensive coordinator running many of the similar plays finished 3rd in scoring the very next year and won the Super Bowl, and the QB did not throw 30 INTs. Brady threw 12 INTs. In 2021, Brady threw 12 INTs again. The positive offensive output was consistent over those three years, but the turnovers decreased. If BLs presence had nothing to do with the positive offense output and causes QBs to throw higher INTs , explain that.
My mandate in this debate was not to show it's impossible for BLs offense to perform poorly in some areas, but to show there is some basis to think he may be a good head coach. Considering the Bucs offense finished 3rd or higher in scoring for three straight seasons, only two of which were with Brady, there is ample reason to think he may have something to offer as a head coach, especially in light of the other successful head coaches I listed who had less experience and success as offensive coordinators than BL has had.
Saying that the Ints aren't the result of poor playcalling or poor design is almost as bad as if I were to say his TD's weren't a result of GOOD playcalling/design.
1. Then explain what happened with the INTs. The same offensive coordinator under the same head coach using mostly the same scheme had similar offensive input but the QB had 18 fewer INTs. Either the personnel matters and lesser QBs should be expected to not perform as well as greater QBs, or between 2019 and 2020, Leftwich learned to call better plays in terms of situational context and better designed plays with dramatically better results. You choose.
2. When you say BL has given ZERO indication that he is head coaching material, that's exactly what you are tacitly saying...that all of the interceptions Winston threw were exclusively the fault of BLs play calling and play design. Perhaps if you could demonstrate that in 2019, BL gave Winston exclusively one read plays and instructed Winston to throw to that one read irrespective of the down and distance and coverage presented, or that there were no complementary routes by the receivers, drawing coverage to the one read. But to do so, you'd have to prove:
A. All of these plays were exclusively one read plays and Winston had no other choice by offensive design to throw to that one read;
B. How the offense was so inept by design (i.e. no complementary routes) WInston had no choice but to throw 30 INTs; (Related question: In 1993, Brett Favre, coached by Mike Holmgren, threw 24 INTs to 19 TDs). Was Holmgren (the head coach who called the plays for the Packers) a bad playcaller? Were his pffenses so poorly designed it was impossible for Favre to not throw INTs?
C. If all of the plays were one read/poorly designed with no regard to situation, how they managed to score 28.6 ppg. There must have been some truly idiotic defensive coordinators on the schedule;
D. How the Bucs managed to win seven games that year;
E. How Arians managed to keep his job knowingly hiring an offensive coordinator who so poorly called and designed plays;
F. You specifically mentioned the Bucs having two dominant receivers who could be the #1 WRs on 28 of the 32 teams in the league. How would you know that? If the plays were one read plays irrespective of down and distance and the defense presented, how could any of the receivers produce enough to justify your assessment of them? If there were no complementary routes, there would be no routes be TEs and slot receivers to occupy deep safeties on deep routes. There would be no routes to clear out underneath coverage for intermediate routes. There would be no rubs/picks to help loosen tight man coverage. What would be the basis for you to make that claim about their abilities?
3. You have still remained silent on the issue of BL's performance as an OC in direct comparison to the coaches I've named. If BL's offenses have performed better than their offenses, how did they deserve the shot to be a head coach and he did not using their performance as OC? I provided the links for you. Based upon their performance as OC, what made them more qualified than BL to be head coaches?
Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
