(11-23-2021, 01:43 PM)Kane Wrote:

(11-23-2021, 01:25 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Trevor with last year's team and coaching is probably a middle ranked QB in the NFL right now. Who would've thought on the day they fired Doug Marrone that we would actually look back at him as an improvement over what we were going to have this season?

Which is why, usually, I'm on the non pitchfork side. Careful for what you wish for because it's possible to get worse.

But I was against Urban from the go so I'm fully on the fire him now. Don't think we could do worse than Urban, Bevell, and Baalke.

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(11-23-2021, 01:25 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Trevor with last year's team and coaching is probably a middle ranked QB in the NFL right now. Who would've thought on the day they fired Doug Marrone that we would actually look back at him as an improvement over what we were going to have this season?

Maybe. Trevor is still making some rookie mistakes, early on holding the ball too long tossing INTs. Now it seems he is inaccurate while under pressure. Not all on him (WRs and ol share blame) but I dunno how much better last year's team is with him. 3 total wins? Defense was not very good last year either. But perhaps the games would have at least been more enjoyable to watch.

Yes, he's a rookie and making those kinds of errors, but this year the situation just seems more hopeless than last year's did. I think we have some improvements on defense this season for sure, but those are offset by how much worse the offense appears. At least Marrone and Gruden knew how to use the running game effectively, that would be a better situation for the rookie QB than where he is right now and probably make the games more enjoyable for us.

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(11-23-2021, 01:59 PM)Cleatwood Wrote:

(11-23-2021, 12:50 PM)Kane Wrote: Dude... I agree but also everyone that wanted to tank for Trevor and called him a once in a generational QB said he alone would fix so much.
If we just replaced Minshew with Trevor we'd have more wins.

I'm not one to dig up old threads really mostly cuz I'm lazy but I know I was one of the few that cautioned against that sort of thinking. I don't think there is that sort of thing firstly and secondly this roster was not good and one player can not fix that level of suck.

So come draft time maybe everyone should temper their expectations for all these young players they are always enamored with. They are kids joining men and 90% of them aren't ready yet. No matter what they did in college.
And stop all the tank for talks... Winning is always better and good QBs on good rosters are better than great QBs on bad rosters.

By the end I didn't believe Minshew was the answer either but obviously it wasn't all his fault. 
Although I will say I believe Urban and Baalke managed to make the 1-15 team roster worse with their choices of who to cut, trade, and sign in FA

https://twitter.com/E_Dilla/status/14631...48040?s=20

Is anyone surprised by this? What could Cullen possibly know about those guys that Baalke and Meyer wouldn't? He's just an assistant to the godhead anyway, no reason to listen to him.

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