(12-27-2021, 01:18 AM)jaguarmvp Wrote:

(12-26-2021, 11:45 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: I think the detractors though are interpreting that the majority of the board is absolving Lawrence of any or most of the blame for the team this year. I don't think that is the case.

I seen many of the posts that have acknowledged that Lawrence has regress some over the course of the season and didn't live up to even some of our expectations, mine included.

However, many of the skeptics have gone the complete other way to say he most like or even definitely a bust, which is way too far.

Given what has already come out about Urban's reign, it may have been one of the worst of all time as more stories are revealed. So we have no idea what an even slightly average or below average coaching staff would have done with a Lawrence rookie season.

On top of that, motivated and smart players often improve their games, something one would expect from a player who was so highly regarded, scouted and under a microscope since high school. If he was not that type of guy with that type of mindset, do you really thing nearly everyone would have considered him a definite elite QB prospect? 

This is more of a glass half-full/half empty situation, and I think most of us recognize that.

I can agree with most of that.   I state that he has played poorly and get attacked often.  Notice I'm never attacking anyone praising his play. 

One point that most can agree with is that he has not lived up to anywhere close to what the media/scouts made him out to be.  As I stated before he has a mountain to climb to be considered a good QB.  He has many faults in his game.  Burrow looked light years ahead of Lawrence in his rookie season.   Bad play design and preperation can be blamed on coaches.   Horrible game losing decisions are flat out missing way too many high percentage passes you have to blame the QB.  Even the announcers mentioned Lawrence accuracy struggles today.  Some of the his completions should of been for much more yards but the receivers have to work way too hard to get some of his errand throws.

(12-27-2021, 12:19 PM)jg77 Wrote:

(12-27-2021, 12:14 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: I agree that Lawrence is better than Gabbart, but its a little disingenious that you omitted one of the most observed and obvious stats, TD's / Int's.  Especially since they are not that different.  Why cherry pick and omit such an obvious one?  Are you that sensitive of the haters?

Gabbart - 12 td / 11 int
Lawrence - 9 td's / 14 ints

Gabbert also played 10 years ago.  It's a different league.  Lawrence actually reminds me of Gabbert a lot.