(12-27-2021, 08:15 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote:

(12-27-2021, 05:56 PM)mal234 Wrote: This isn't good anyway you slice it:

https://twitter.com/NFLonCBS/status/1475490404103507968

Get those facts out of here.   We will insult you for your crazy audacity to blame the golden boy.

It's the coaches fault, it's the receivers fault, it's the coordinators fault, it's the guy who pumps up the footballs fault, it's the winds fault,  it's never Trevors.

(12-27-2021, 08:46 PM)IndyJagsFan Wrote: The excuses you guys are making for Lawrence just keep growing and growing and becoming more ridiculous and desperate. I get it. He was touted as some "Generational Talent" who could come right in and elevate everyone around him by, well, everyone in the sports media and most of you guys who think you are "smart football guys" are really just ESPN whores who parrot whatever the baseline of consensus opinion is. So there's that.

Lots of outright lies here in this last page of thread. Lawrence was terrible from the jump even with better receivers and OL than Minshew ever had. Coaching being worse than last year is just an attempt to cover for Lawrence's inept play. Somebody has to take the fall for a QB who can't even make the easy throws underneath when down 21 and the Defense is conceding the first 10 yards from scrimmage and who shows no ability to read the field or make the tight window throws that the last guy made in his sleep. Can't be Lawrence's fault. Nope. Gotta be scheme, coaching or receivers. Again, the excuses and lies keep coming to deny the reality of what is shown plainly on the field.

And stop with the phony narrative about Minshew. Defenses never "figured him out". He scorched the Colts on the final game of 2019 and they had AN ENTIRE OFFSEASON to scout him and he still went 19/20 for 3 tds and 0 picks and set an NFL record for accuracy in. And then he scorched the Titans for 27/35 and 295 with 3 tds and 1 pick and they had an ENTIRE YEAR to scout him too. It was only when he fractured his thumb that his performance fell off and he still played leagues better with a @$%# broken hand that this guy who you all are fawning over with excuses and support.

I get your desperation to believe, but stop with the exaggerations. Lawrence has shown zero in his rookie season. Not a flash. No come from behind wins, no epic plays, not one game that says he is anything other than a career backup in skills, poise, leadership or grit. The negatives are ground and pounding whatever dreamy and fantastical positives you concoct. If he even ends up being a Jared Goff level starter longterm in this league I'd be shocked and inclined to name him "Comeback Player of the Year".

I do think that some (maybe a lot of) people are making a lot of excuses for Trevor. It's everyone's fault but his. Yet last year there were Jags fans put the blame mainly on Gardner, and hardly anyone else. Even though the defense was pretty bad, the team was young, veteran players were traded away, the coach staff wasn't good, Marrone didn't like him, etc... It's funny how the tables have turned and now it's all the other players fault and Trevor really isn't being held accountable by some/maybe a lot of people. Including those in the local media/national media.

Gardner was called an actual bum by some people when he was on pace to throw for like at least 30TDs ( before the injury/benching). 16TDs in like half a season wasn't good enough, but some people don't seem to have much of an issue for Trevor not throwing a TD in seven games. That's almost half a season. He hasn't thrown a TD in like half a season. That's pretty bad, IMO, no matter what the other players are doing. I can understand the Jags not completely turning things around right away and even losing several games. But you want to see some growth. Davis Mills of the Texans is on a bad, rebuilding team and he's shown some growth. It looks like there has been a lot of regression on Trevor's part.

Hopefully it will get better, but I think it's important to be honest about what's been happening. Some people (and at some of us that are Minshew fans) would be less harsh in our evaluations, but we remember the way that Gardner was dragged for performing way better than Trevor, at least on an individual basis. And he was dealing with a bad situation last year and playing with some of the same players Trevor is playing with including rookies.

Trevor is fortunate that nobody seems to care much about the rookies performances this year. Mac Jones had a nice start, but people were doubtful on him earlier on and think he's benefited from being in the Patriots system, Trey Lance hasn't really played, Justin Fields has been up and down, and has dealt with injury and the media doesn't seem to care much about Davis Mills right now. (Who interestingly enough has probably been like the second best rookie QB in the past few weeks.) So Trevor gets to skate, because of that and because people hyped him up so much, they are really hesitant to criticize him. If someone like Justin or Trey were balling out right now, there would probably be more of a negative spotlight on Trevor. But he gets to skate for pretty much the entire season.

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