(07-11-2022, 08:37 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote:

(07-11-2022, 08:50 AM)Mikey Wrote: see, here's the difference. We looked at his play and SAW the good even though it was interspersed with some bad. That gives us hope that we didn't end up with the next Blaine Gabbert. The way you dump on / expect the worst out of TLaw makes me wonder if you saw any Jaguar gameplay prior to Minshew's brief run.

The difference is the perspective - you see glimpses of good peeking out through the bad, and attribute the bad nearly exclusively to his own limitations. Most everyone else here recognizes that there is bad, but that the good we did get to see gives us hope that we've got something better than the recent string of flops we've had under center, and that circumstance played a whole heckuva lot into the performance (or lack thereof) we saw on the field.

If anyone is comparing him to Brady in three months' time, I think we'll all be dismissing that analogy, but good luck with that prediction, too.

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If Jeff Fisher or the corpse of Art Modell just happened to be on that very spot of the field at that moment, I'd be calling for a bronze statue commemorating the event. I guess I'm just a blind homer, though.

The reason that I point out HIS flaws, are because the things I saw and disliked from his rookie season are the same things that had me skeptical prior to us having the #1 pick. While fans on this board point to his WRs/OL/Coaching for things I watched him do at Clemson when he had Tee Higgins/Amari Rogers/Justyn Ross etc. Screw college. You have a year of NFL tape to evaluate now. That [BLEEP] is over and meaningless now. Let it go. Not that you knew how to evaluate it anyway. 

It's not that I can't see his upside, I'm not completely stupid like some on here seem to think. I know he has a big arm, I know he has good mobility I know he has the capability to make the plays he needs to make and has the tools to do it at a high level. Then why did you say you saw "no reason for hope" from his rookie year? 

My issue particularly with the people on this board is that it seems nobody here thought he had any issues coming out of college and was just this perfect prospect when he never was that. If you (and btw, any of you could still do this) go back and watch all of his Clemson plays, and then go back and watch all of his rookie season plays you will see that he himself makes mistakes that have absolutely nothing to do with the WRs, the play calling or his offensive line. Just to name a few, extremely inaccurate while throwing on the run, inconsistent accuracy in the pocket, sailing passes on deep/intermediate throws, throwing short passes extremely hard with no touch, tendency to escape a clean pocket.. theres a lot more too it if you really look into his tape, he struggled heavily against bluff blitzes (showing blitz and then dropping out and rushing 4) etc etc etc
Analyst after analyst after analyst this summer have been tripping over each other to comment on how good his rookie tape looks compared to the awful statistics. I see what they see. I saw it before they saw it. I don't see whatever it is you think you're seeing. You're just clinging to your own bad take from his college tape that you were wrong on from the get-go. 

Any of these things could and possibly will be fixed, but when I watch a guy do something in a jaguar uniform, that he also did in a clemson uniform and then see 20 people on the board blame somebody else for his mistake.. it gets annoying. It's more annoying because 99% of the time, the people doing that did absolutely 0 research on the guy prior to us drafting him and don't have a single ounce of a clue what their talking about. You're annoyed because you're just wrong. 


With that being said, yes he is talented, yes he could and should improve on this past season.. no I never saw generation talent, no I don't believe he is going to be an elite QB based on what I've seen (dosen't mean he can't become that, but it just isn't what I've seen) (Elite QB being in the Rodgers/Mahomes/Brady category btw)


Nothing would make me happier than to log into this message board and see people roasting me for a bad take, Doesn't this already happen every time you log on? 
because ultimately I want this team to win a damn game, but I'm not a blind homer who can't give an honest take based on what i've seen.