(07-11-2022, 10:25 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:

(07-11-2022, 08:37 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: The reason that I point out HIS flaws, are because the things I saw and disliked from his rookie season are the same things that had me skeptical prior to us having the #1 pick. While fans on this board point to his WRs/OL/Coaching for things I watched him do at Clemson when he had Tee Higgins/Amari Rogers/Justyn Ross etc. Screw college. You have a year of NFL tape to evaluate now. That [BLEEP] is over and meaningless now. Let it go. Not that you knew how to evaluate it anyway. 

It's not that I can't see his upside, I'm not completely stupid like some on here seem to think. I know he has a big arm, I know he has good mobility I know he has the capability to make the plays he needs to make and has the tools to do it at a high level. Then why did you say you saw "no reason for hope" from his rookie year? 

My issue particularly with the people on this board is that it seems nobody here thought he had any issues coming out of college and was just this perfect prospect when he never was that. If you (and btw, any of you could still do this) go back and watch all of his Clemson plays, and then go back and watch all of his rookie season plays you will see that he himself makes mistakes that have absolutely nothing to do with the WRs, the play calling or his offensive line. Just to name a few, extremely inaccurate while throwing on the run, inconsistent accuracy in the pocket, sailing passes on deep/intermediate throws, throwing short passes extremely hard with no touch, tendency to escape a clean pocket.. theres a lot more too it if you really look into his tape, he struggled heavily against bluff blitzes (showing blitz and then dropping out and rushing 4) etc etc etc
Analyst after analyst after analyst this summer have been tripping over each other to comment on how good his rookie tape looks compared to the awful statistics. I see what they see. I saw it before they saw it. I don't see whatever it is you think you're seeing. You're just clinging to your own bad take from his college tape that you were wrong on from the get-go. 

Any of these things could and possibly will be fixed, but when I watch a guy do something in a jaguar uniform, that he also did in a clemson uniform and then see 20 people on the board blame somebody else for his mistake.. it gets annoying. It's more annoying because 99% of the time, the people doing that did absolutely 0 research on the guy prior to us drafting him and don't have a single ounce of a clue what their talking about. You're annoyed because you're just wrong. 


With that being said, yes he is talented, yes he could and should improve on this past season.. no I never saw generation talent, no I don't believe he is going to be an elite QB based on what I've seen (dosen't mean he can't become that, but it just isn't what I've seen) (Elite QB being in the Rodgers/Mahomes/Brady category btw)


Nothing would make me happier than to log into this message board and see people roasting me for a bad take, Doesn't this already happen every time you log on? 
because ultimately I want this team to win a damn game, but I'm not a blind homer who can't give an honest take based on what i've seen.

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1. The reason I mention college, is because I was skeptical of his extremely over the top ratings by the so called "experts" because I saw many flaws in his game, that the guys he was being compared to (luck/manning/elway) did not have. While evaluating his play from his rookie season I'm seeing a lot of the same mistakes I saw in college, which in turn the fans on this board like to point out and blame the supporting cast for. My counter argument is, if it's the supporting cast in Jacksonville causing his faults.. was it also his star studded teammates faults in college too?

2. I said I saw no reason for hope based on his rookie year because his play was flat out abysmal, again you see the same mistakes being made that he made in college and very few of his strengths from college showed up on game day in the NFL. 

3. These analyst that are now boasting about his "good play over stats" have only come out to say this after realizing what an absolute dumpster fire of a coach Meyer was, combined with the lack of talent surrounding him. Of course he had a few moments, but he had 5 bad plays/missed throws/poor reads for every one "good" play. 

4. I'm not annoyed because i'm wrong, prior to him being a Jaguar I expressed my skepticism for just how good of a prospect he was, and his rookie season not only completely defended my opinion but made him look worse than I even expected. 

5. Not really, roasting would imply that I'm getting owned because I was wrong and I've not been wrong about Lawrence. Trolling however, does occur most times I post here. 



At the end of the day, rookies can improve theres no denying that and it's what I think we all want. But the simple fact is I have my opinion that I put hours of my own time into forming. The people arguing with me have no evidence to support their claims outside of what they hear on ESPN. And people seem to get very upset when they hear anything negative regarding our team and I don't blame them.. it sucks. But I'd just remind you that on my old account I made a post, a few days after our Blake Bortles selection.. saying much of the same.. minus the little bit of hope I do have because this guy is talented. And on that very thread, I was rediculed and mocked the same way. Would you agree my opinion that Bortles was not going to be good panned out? I'd say so.

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