(07-11-2022, 08:37 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote:

(07-11-2022, 08:50 AM)Mikey Wrote: see, here's the difference. We looked at his play and SAW the good even though it was interspersed with some bad. That gives us hope that we didn't end up with the next Blaine Gabbert. The way you dump on / expect the worst out of TLaw makes me wonder if you saw any Jaguar gameplay prior to Minshew's brief run.

The difference is the perspective - you see glimpses of good peeking out through the bad, and attribute the bad nearly exclusively to his own limitations. Most everyone else here recognizes that there is bad, but that the good we did get to see gives us hope that we've got something better than the recent string of flops we've had under center, and that circumstance played a whole heckuva lot into the performance (or lack thereof) we saw on the field.

If anyone is comparing him to Brady in three months' time, I think we'll all be dismissing that analogy, but good luck with that prediction, too.

The reason that I point out HIS flaws, are because the things I saw and disliked from his rookie season are the same things that had me skeptical prior to us having the #1 pick. While fans on this board point to his WRs/OL/Coaching for things I watched him do at Clemson when he had Tee Higgins/Amari Rogers/Justyn Ross etc. 

It's not that I can't see his upside, I'm not completely stupid like some on here seem to think. I know he has a big arm, I know he has good mobility I know he has the capability to make the plays he needs to make and has the tools to do it at a high level. 

My issue particularly with the people on this board is that it seems nobody here thought he had any issues coming out of college and was just this perfect prospect when he never was that. If you (and btw, any of you could still do this) go back and watch all of his Clemson plays, and then go back and watch all of his rookie season plays you will see that he himself makes mistakes that have absolutely nothing to do with the WRs, the play calling or his offensive line. Just to name a few, extremely inaccurate while throwing on the run, inconsistent accuracy in the pocket, sailing passes on deep/intermediate throws, throwing short passes extremely hard with no touch, tendency to escape a clean pocket.. theres a lot more too it if you really look into his tape, he struggled heavily against bluff blitzes (showing blitz and then dropping out and rushing 4) etc etc etc

Any of these things could and possibly will be fixed, but when I watch a guy do something in a jaguar uniform, that he also did in a clemson uniform and then see 20 people on the board blame somebody else for his mistake.. it gets annoying. It's more annoying because 99% of the time, the people doing that did absolutely 0 research on the guy prior to us drafting him and don't have a single ounce of a clue what their talking about.

With that being said, yes he is talented, yes he could and should improve on this past season.. no I never saw generation talent, no I don't believe he is going to be an elite QB based on what I've seen (dosen't mean he can't become that, but it just isn't what I've seen) (Elite QB being in the Rodgers/Mahomes/Brady category btw)

Nothing would make me happier than to log into this message board and see people roasting me for a bad take, because ultimately I want this team to win a damn game, but I'm not a blind homer who can't give an honest take based on what i've seen.

bold 1: While there may have been the random delusional poster who figured one guy would take us from R1 P1 to 20-0, this is a gross misrepresentation of the board. We had need at QB, and hit a year where a very good (NOT PERFECT) QB was at the top of the board. When the others vying for the top spot were Mac Jones, Trey Lance, Zach Wilson, or Justin Fields, TLaw was absolutely the front runner in nearly every consideration of what a team looks for in a franchise QB. While there were absolutely people dead set on TLaw and no consideration of any others, most everyone on the board formed their opinion on more than "Chris Simms tole me this guy is gud" or "dur Hur next Andy Luck book it". And yes, the vast majority of advocates for TLaw knew that there would be wrinkles, and that some ironing would be needed before any hope of long term success was realized. Which brings me to....

bold 2: EXACTLY! The vast majority of the board have been saying this all along! I don't know how you could look at the train wreck of team management that every damn player on our roster faced last year and expect them to magically discover the secret to playing better football. It's safe to say that most here are happy with the new staff and are encouraged that they should foster growth and development across the team, especially at QB. Let's give that a spell to see if it works before we start patting ourselves on the back for premature forecasts of falling skies.

bold 3: again, this is overexaggerating the so-called ignorance you perceive across the rest of the fanbase here. You don't know how much research anyone here did, nor do we of you, but to say that just because others either choose to hold out hope or differ in opinion or emphasis of one character flaw over the other means they are uninformed not only insults those who actually did put in much time and effort into review, but it also discounts any argument you state to counter the prevailing opinion.

As you've seen, it's just as easy to characterize you as either a nay-sayer, someone stuck in the past, or so committed to a bit that the bar to change your opinion is unattainable. Every darn one of us is concerned that there's the possibility that yet again the team we love swung and missed at the most important position on the field. But, unlike the last few tries, we've seen things that lead us to believe that this guy MIGHT be different. That if the light switch does go on, holy moly, this could be real good. Pat Mahomes has some dud throws. TB12 is not immune to a pick-six, or even forgets what down it is on occasion. For all his MVPs, A. A. Ron has been a spectator far more times at the SB than a participant.

We're not blindly screaming "FRANCHISE QB!" or "BCS CHAMPION!" when it doesn't work out. We've seen the same failure. But, at least for me, I want to see him with competent leadership around him to see if last year was a symptom of the chaos around him or not. If it stilll doesn't work, then yeah, we're in bad shape. All that said, in year two, I still want TLaw as my QB over any of the other rookies in his class. They're all flawed in some way or being dragged down by mismanagement around them, and their prospect of being the next big QB is equally as nebulous, if not moreso. I guess we coulda rolled with Minshew or Glennon, that was working well, right?

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(07-12-2022, 06:50 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote:

(07-12-2022, 01:18 AM)rpr52121 Wrote: Sorry I forget. Did you want the Jags to draft a different QB at No. 1 in 2021 or trade down?

It was not a matter of me not wanting to draft Trevor, I do think he has the most upside of that class and we desperately needed to at least try because Minshew was never going to be that guy. My issue was the general concensus was that he was this can't miss prospect is insanity to me. I felt coming out, him and Herbert were more similar prospects than to view him in the same light as Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning. Herbert is a shinning example of what happens when you take a raw player with physical gifts who pans out. Trevor might do that, but he wasn't the sure thing everyone seems to think he is.

The only ones saying "can't miss" were the media pundits searching for click-throughs, eyes, and comments on their sites/networks.

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