Ok now go watch Hutch vs Ohio State.

Couple things.  Ohio State tended to run the ball the opposite side from Hutch most of the game which is a credit to him I presume.

That said, the first two sacks weren’t so much him in my opinion.  Bad blocking on the first one.  Coverage sack on the 2nd one.  Third one was him making a good move and beating his man one on one.  I don’t see a dominant performance here though.  Ohio State o-line play looked pedestrian to me and didn’t see Hutch much outside of the 3 sacks, 2 of which I wasn’t all that impressed by.

This game doesn’t change my opinion of him.  I don’t see him as a perennial 12+ sack a year guy in the pros.  I feel like I should be excited about a #1 overall selection and I’m just not with him or any of the DE’s.  I need to watch some Sauce.  Maybe I’ll get excited about him.

He had 15 pressures that game on top of the 3 sacks and 3 tackles for loss.

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Aiden Hutchinson's first 3 years of college football produced 4.5 sacks, Travon Walker's first 3 years of football produced 9.5 sacks. This is on a team that required Travon to set the edge against the run and line up at DT for significant snaps. Maybe in his first year of playing 5tech he will have a major jump ini sack/pressure rate the same way  Hutch did. If you watch that OSU/Mich game again, pay attention to Hutch not chasing down ball carries when he gets behind. And then go watch the clip of Travon hawking down one of Alabama's receivers on a wide receiver screen. Also take a look at the pass he defended in coverage against FL. Dude is a different kind of athlete. At the end of the day I think Baalke will pick Walker and he will be the next Aldon Smith (on the field) during his rookie season. Fingers crossed anyway. It would definitely be a mistake to try and trade back to get extra picks and think you're still going to get Walker though. There are multiple teams that have him at the top of their boards apparently.

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Couple things.  Ohio State tended to run the ball the opposite side from Hutch most of the game which is a credit to him I presume.

That said, the first two sacks weren’t so much him in my opinion.  Bad blocking on the first one.  Coverage sack on the 2nd one.  Third one was him making a good move and beating his man one on one.  I don’t see a dominant performance here though.  Ohio State o-line play looked pedestrian to me and didn’t see Hutch much outside of the 3 sacks, 2 of which I wasn’t all that impressed by.

This game doesn’t change my opinion of him.  I don’t see him as a perennial 12+ sack a year guy in the pros.  I feel like I should be excited about a #1 overall selection and I’m just not with him or any of the DE’s.  I need to watch some Sauce.  Maybe I’ll get excited about him.

He had 15 pressures that game on top of the 3 sacks and 3 tackles for loss.

Is that how you'd score it watching that clip?  If TFL's are a double accounting of sacks, yes he had 3 of them.  If they are not, he had 0 according to that clip.

I saw 9 legitimate pressures (which I would define as he clearly affected the QB or the QB's decision making) and a 10th which was from a bad snap.   I saw him draw a holding call.  I saw the 3 sacks, one of which was a coverage sack.  I'll give him back the 1st sack I downplayed as poor blocking even though I think it was.  I think that's a fair assessment of what I just watched and it's nothing he shouldn't be proud of.  It was a good showing by him.  I just don't see a dominant pass rusher when looking at this game and beyond and I would like to feel that he is dominant about a DE going 1st overall.

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He had 15 pressures that game on top of the 3 sacks and 3 tackles for loss.

Is that how you'd score it watching that clip?  If TFL's are a double accounting of sacks, yes he had 3 of them.  If they are not, he had 0 according to that clip.

I saw 9 legitimate pressures (which I would define as he clearly affected the QB or the QB's decision making) and a 10th which was from a bad snap.   I saw him draw a holding call.  I saw the 3 sacks, one of which was a coverage sack.  I'll give him back the 1st sack I downplayed as poor blocking even though I think it was.  I think that's a fair assessment of what I just watched and it's nothing he shouldn't be proud of.  It was a good showing by him.  I just don't see a dominant pass rusher when looking at this game and beyond and I would like to feel that he is dominant about a DE going 1st overall.

Whoever logs the stats scored it like that. He was credited for 15 pressure in that game and he was also being held a bunch in that game that wasn't getting called.

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A lot of talk about the "safe" pick.  Just a reminder of the odds.

Draft success rate
1st Round - OL (83%) LB (70%) TE (67%) DB (64%) QB (63%) WR (58%) RB (58%) DL (58%)

Not when we draft them.

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Why nobody can see the athleticism advantage that Walker has over Hutchinson is beyond me. He is clearly the better athlete/build/high-upside guy. Hutchinson gets handled by good tackles regularly. Go watch tape of the Georgia/Michigan game and you can see what short arms can do for a DE. The short arm thing is a Real disadvantage, initial punch is a good predictor of win rate in the NFL. Time will tell but I personally like Walker more as a prospect. Just my 2 cents....

I can't even really be any more disappointed than I have been if they take Walker at #1. It's such a gamble for a team that needs safer picks.

For me it's either Hutch or Sauce. That's it.

Totally agree.

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Sorry, but it's extremely unconstructive to bother talking about taking Sauce #1.

Why? He's arguably the best player in the draft. You always take the BAP and you can never have enough good corners. This is a passing league.

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Why? He's arguably the best player in the draft. You always take the BAP and you can never have enough good corners. This is a passing league.

If there was even one remote sniff of a chance we would take him then I would agree. But we have shown exactly zero interest in him and we have 3 starting corners already.

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Let’s not overthink this. Take the better player, not the combine warrior. 9/10 times this works out better. Football is a game of athleticism, but also skill.

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Let’s not overthink this. Take the better player, not the combine warrior. 9/10 times this works out better. Football is a game of athleticism, but also skill.

Seems like it’s a real struggle between Walker and Hutch.

Kinda crazy.

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Someone laughed at it last time I said it, but I really do think Baalke is putting a lot of perception/legacy thought into it. If he takes Aidan as everyone expects he gets no glory for it. We all routinely shrug off Caldwell drafting Ramsey because it was such a no brainer. We do the same for Baalke with Tlaw now and we likely will again if he takes Hutch.

Baalke knows he is perceived as one of the worst people in the NFL. Hitting on a guy like Walker when the rest of the league is telling him he would be crazy for taking that gamble will give him a lot of bonus points that he won't get if he takes Hutch. I honestly think he is factoring that in.

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Someone laughed at it last time I said it, but I really do think Baalke is putting a lot of perception/legacy thought into it. If he takes Aidan as everyone expects he gets no glory for it. We all routinely shrug off Caldwell drafting Ramsey because it was such a no brainer. We do the same for Baalke with Tlaw now and we likely will again if he takes Hutch.

Baalke knows he is perceived as one of the worst people in the NFL. Hitting on a guy like Walker when the rest of the league is telling him he would be crazy for taking that gamble will give him a lot of bonus points that he won't get if he takes Hutch. I honestly think he is factoring that in.

You could definitely be correct, but I'm curious what makes you think Baalke gives a damn about perception/legacy?

I'd say it's equally conceivable he simply wants to be certain he lands an impact player in order to increase the odds of keeping his current position beyond 2022. He's still relatively young for an NFL executive.

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Someone laughed at it last time I said it, but I really do think Baalke is putting a lot of perception/legacy thought into it. If he takes Aidan as everyone expects he gets no glory for it. We all routinely shrug off Caldwell drafting Ramsey because it was such a no brainer. We do the same for Baalke with Tlaw now and we likely will again if he takes Hutch.

Baalke knows he is perceived as one of the worst people in the NFL. Hitting on a guy like Walker when the rest of the league is telling him he would be crazy for taking that gamble will give him a lot of bonus points that he won't get if he takes Hutch. I honestly think he is factoring that in.

You could definitely be correct, but I'm curious what makes you think Baalke gives a damn about perception/legacy?

I'd say it's equally conceivable he simply wants to be certain he lands an impact player in order to increase the odds of keeping his current position beyond 2022. He's still relatively young for an NFL executive.

Breer and Dilla both said Baalke was sensitive to his perception leaguewide just a few days ago.

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You could definitely be correct, but I'm curious what makes you think Baalke gives a damn about perception/legacy?

I'd say it's equally conceivable he simply wants to be certain he lands an impact player in order to increase the odds of keeping his current position beyond 2022. He's still relatively young for an NFL executive.

Breer and Dilla both said Baalke was sensitive to his perception leaguewide just a few days ago.

I seriously doubt either have talked to Baalke.   But if one did and that Is true, do you know the best way to get rid of that?  Hit on your picks.   So if they feel Walker is the best player than they should go Walker.  I don't, but I have seen I number of people like Walker better than Hutch.

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At this point I'd rather take a WR.

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Someone laughed at it last time I said it, but I really do think Baalke is putting a lot of perception/legacy thought into it. If he takes Aidan as everyone expects he gets no glory for it. We all routinely shrug off Caldwell drafting Ramsey because it was such a no brainer. We do the same for Baalke with Tlaw now and we likely will again if he takes Hutch.

Baalke knows he is perceived as one of the worst people in the NFL. Hitting on a guy like Walker when the rest of the league is telling him he would be crazy for taking that gamble will give him a lot of bonus points that he won't get if he takes Hutch. I honestly think he is factoring that in.

The only way to beat this is hit on the pick regardless even if that was true

This isn't close to the T Law a no brainer pick, a lot want Walker, some still want Neal, and some still want Thibs.    I don't see how anyone could even this is close to taking Trev last year, one of the best QB prospects in the last decade

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Someone laughed at it last time I said it, but I really do think Baalke is putting a lot of perception/legacy thought into it. If he takes Aidan as everyone expects he gets no glory for it. We all routinely shrug off Caldwell drafting Ramsey because it was such a no brainer. We do the same for Baalke with Tlaw now and we likely will again if he takes Hutch.

Baalke knows he is perceived as one of the worst people in the NFL. Hitting on a guy like Walker when the rest of the league is telling him he would be crazy for taking that gamble will give him a lot of bonus points that he won't get if he takes Hutch. I honestly think he is factoring that in.

You could definitely be correct, but I'm curious what makes you think Baalke gives a damn about perception/legacy?

I'd say it's equally conceivable he simply wants to be certain he lands an impact player in order to increase the odds of keeping his current position beyond 2022. He's still relatively young for an NFL executive.

Yes. And chances are very good that he will not get a 3rd shot at a GM job.  He has every incentive to do his best work.

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Someone laughed at it last time I said it, but I really do think Baalke is putting a lot of perception/legacy thought into it. If he takes Aidan as everyone expects he gets no glory for it. We all routinely shrug off Caldwell drafting Ramsey because it was such a no brainer. We do the same for Baalke with Tlaw now and we likely will again if he takes Hutch.

Baalke knows he is perceived as one of the worst people in the NFL. Hitting on a guy like Walker when the rest of the league is telling him he would be crazy for taking that gamble will give him a lot of bonus points that he won't get if he takes Hutch. I honestly think he is factoring that in.

You could definitely be correct, but I'm curious what makes you think Baalke gives a damn about perception/legacy?

I'd say it's equally conceivable he simply wants to be certain he lands an impact player in order to increase the odds of keeping his current position beyond 2022. He's still relatively young for an NFL executive.

Yup, I think that's a bunch of bs.  Once again, if true the only way to beat it is hit on picks. So you would take the guy who you feel will be the best player to make sure you hit on your pick

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Someone laughed at it last time I said it, but I really do think Baalke is putting a lot of perception/legacy thought into it. If he takes Aidan as everyone expects he gets no glory for it. We all routinely shrug off Caldwell drafting Ramsey because it was such a no brainer. We do the same for Baalke with Tlaw now and we likely will again if he takes Hutch.

Baalke knows he is perceived as one of the worst people in the NFL. Hitting on a guy like Walker when the rest of the league is telling him he would be crazy for taking that gamble will give him a lot of bonus points that he won't get if he takes Hutch. I honestly think he is factoring that in.

You could definitely be correct, but I'm curious what makes you think Baalke gives a damn about perception/legacy?

I'd say it's equally conceivable he simply wants to be certain he lands an impact player in order to increase the odds of keeping his current position beyond 2022. He's still relatively young for an NFL executive.

Wouldn’t that lead you to believe it’s Hutch?

Pick Hutch and he busts (low chance), no one can really fault you for that.

Pick Walker and he busts, then you’re the doofus who passed on Hutchinson for a guy based purely on athletic ability.

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You could definitely be correct, but I'm curious what makes you think Baalke gives a damn about perception/legacy?

I'd say it's equally conceivable he simply wants to be certain he lands an impact player in order to increase the odds of keeping his current position beyond 2022. He's still relatively young for an NFL executive.

Wouldn’t that lead you to believe it’s Hutch?

Pick Hutch and he busts (low chance), no one can really fault you for that.

Pick Walker and he busts, then you’re the doofus who passed on Hutchinson for a guy based purely on athletic ability.

I dont understand this, if Hutch busts hes definitely at fault.  Hes the GM making the pick, regardless who he picks hes at fault if the guy he picks number 1 overall is a bust.  If he hits then he gets the credit.  If he drafts Hutch and he ends up being a bust people arent gonna look back and say, well a lot of the fans wanted him so he gets a pass lol.  Baalke has the number 1 pick, hes the GM and its on him to find the right guy regardless

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Wouldn’t that lead you to believe it’s Hutch?

Pick Hutch and he busts (low chance), no one can really fault you for that.

Pick Walker and he busts, then you’re the doofus who passed on Hutchinson for a guy based purely on athletic ability.

I dont understand this, if Hutch busts hes definitely at fault.  Hes the GM making the pick, regardless who he picks hes at fault if the guy he picks number 1 overall is a bust.  If he hits then he gets the credit.  If he drafts Hutch and he ends up being a bust people arent gonna look back and say, well a lot of the fans wanted him so he gets a pass lol.  Baalke has the number 1 pick, hes the GM and its on him to find the right guy regardless

It’s not that a lot fans that want Hutchinson. It’s the fact that he’s pretty much the consensus #1 pick this year.

If Trevor busts, should Baalke take the blame for that even though every single manager in the history of the NFL would have made that pick?

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Wouldn’t that lead you to believe it’s Hutch?

Pick Hutch and he busts (low chance), no one can really fault you for that.

Pick Walker and he busts, then you’re the doofus who passed on Hutchinson for a guy based purely on athletic ability.

I dont understand this, if Hutch busts hes definitely at fault.  Hes the GM making the pick, regardless who he picks hes at fault if the guy he picks number 1 overall is a bust.  If he hits then he gets the credit.  If he drafts Hutch and he ends up being a bust people arent gonna look back and say, well a lot of the fans wanted him so he gets a pass lol.  Baalke has the number 1 pick, hes the GM and its on him to find the right guy regardless

It may be his fault, but fans would be a lot easier on him, since almost everyone thinks Hutchinson is a better choice than Walker. I certainly won't fault him if he takes Hutchinson and he busts, because I can't imagine a world where Hutchinson would completely fail. Maybe he never lives up to the extreme hype, but to be a bust? I just don't see any scenario where he is as bad as Chaisson has been. Now that guy is a bust!

If he chooses Walker and he busts though, I'll be ready to ditch this franchise due to the incompetence of the front office. Walker has never even played the position of 3-4 OLB. Taking him would be totally going against the grain. If he takes Walker #1 overall and he performs as badly as Chaisson has been, Baalke won't last passed this coming season as the GM. It would basically be proof that all the bad things the fans have been saying about him would be confirmed.

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I dont understand this, if Hutch busts hes definitely at fault.  Hes the GM making the pick, regardless who he picks hes at fault if the guy he picks number 1 overall is a bust.  If he hits then he gets the credit.  If he drafts Hutch and he ends up being a bust people arent gonna look back and say, well a lot of the fans wanted him so he gets a pass lol.  Baalke has the number 1 pick, hes the GM and its on him to find the right guy regardless

It’s not a lot fans that want Hutchinson. It’s the fact that he’s pretty much the consensus #1 pick this year.

If Trevor busts, should Baalke take the blame for that even though every single manager in the history of the NFL would have made that pick?

If Trevor busts, that's not on Baalke. That would basically be on EVERYONE. The fans, the front office, NFL analysts, draft "gurus" and who ever else. Basically 99.9% of everyone who has ever watched NFL football would've made that pick including myself.

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