(06-07-2022, 07:37 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: (06-07-2022, 06:42 PM)johnnywynter Wrote: Why does Josh get such a pass from the local media? Is it because he had a good rookie season when teamed with 2 other really good pass rushers? He had 7.5 sacks last year and 10 games with zero sacks. I just watched Osher and Sexton talk about Arden Key like he's a backup that you shouldn't expect too much out of, but he had a much better second half of the season last year than JA. I hope Josh has a good year this year because he has a lot of draft capital invested in him, but Travon Walker wasn't brought in to bolster Josh Allen's pass rush. He was brought in to be a legit 15 sack a year guy which Josh is not. Before any homers come in to flame, I believe Josh is a versatile football player but he gets credit like he's a Bosa brother or Khalil Mack type player and he's not.
- Josh Allen doesn't really get too much hype
- Josh Allen received no small amount of flack for his dip in production since the rookie yr
- Walker may not have been drafted to "open up" Allen, but EVERY NFL team strives to have multiple edge rushers so that opponents can't focus protection on one guy
- Because of number 3 - Allen SHOULD receive benefit from Walker's presence and there ain't a damn thing wrong with that
- Sack numbers are important, but you have to look at so many other things to get the full picture. Pressures, hurrys, QBKDs, TFL and more.
- Did you watch the buffalo game last year??? He practically took over the game. Performances like that should increase with more talent in the front 7, plus an additional good cover guy in the secondary. (2 really if you count Cisco)
- If the Jags offense ever gives the front seven a freakin lead, you'll really see the potential of the pass rushers on hand.
- Key was a very smart add as a rotational pass rusher who will likely see lots of snaps at 3-4 end. RRH, Fatukasi, and Key in the middle with Allen and Walker on the edges at OLB could be pretty darn good. (Hamilton spelling Fatukasi at times) And yes, Key could get looks at EDGE as well, but his ceiling is indeed lower than Josh Allen's IMO. I'm happy we have Key though. Good pick up.
- If Key gets more snaps at OLB than Allen or Walker - we probably have some issues to address.
- I've never heard anyone compare Allen to Bosa or Mack. Maybe his performance in a single game, but never his complete skill set.
We are in 100% agreement.
Just because a defender needs other players to help him reach maximum productivity, doesn't mean he's a bad player. It means he needs help.
There's 11 guys on defense. Josh Allen is the LAST thing wrong with this defense.
Get him some help like they did this year and develop thise guys. You will see Allen Flourish.
(06-08-2022, 06:21 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: (06-07-2022, 06:42 PM)johnnywynter Wrote: Why does Josh get such a pass from the local media? Is it because he had a good rookie season when teamed with 2 other really good pass rushers? He had 7.5 sacks last year and 10 games with zero sacks. I just watched Osher and Sexton talk about Arden Key like he's a backup that you shouldn't expect too much out of, but he had a much better second half of the season last year than JA. I hope Josh has a good year this year because he has a lot of draft capital invested in him, but Travon Walker wasn't brought in to bolster Josh Allen's pass rush. He was brought in to be a legit 15 sack a year guy which Josh is not. Before any homers come in to flame, I believe Josh is a versatile football player but he gets credit like he's a Bosa brother or Khalil Mack type player and he's not.
Josh Allen has never gotten credit "like he's a Bosa brother or Khalil Mack type player." I don't know where you come up with that.
About his sack total last year, there are several things that lead to sacks:
1) Obvious pass rushing situations. When our opponent is ahead by double digits, there are no obvious pass rushing situations. They can run the ball whenever they want to in that situation.
2) Pressure from other players. For any particular player, a lot of sacks can be generated by pressure from other players. Players who wind up with a lot of sacks often have QBs flushed directly to them by other players. I don't think we had a lot of that last year.
Granted, Josh Allen didn't have a great year last year, but I give him a pass based on the dumpster fire of a year we had with Urban Meyer. It's hard for any individual player to thrive when he's playing on the worst team in the league, and the worst coach in NFL history.
By the way, I watched Oehser and Sexton talk about Arden Key, and I don't recall them saying we shouldn't expect too much out of him. What they said was, there won't be a lot of pressure on him because he will be part of a rotation of players at that position.
Agreed almost completely.
I did not see the Oesher/Sexton discussion so I can't comment on it, but based on everything else you wrote here, I agree wholeheartedly with the overall sentiment.
Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
