(06-15-2022, 09:58 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote:

(06-15-2022, 08:19 AM)Re mikesez Wrote: You're making this way too complicated.  Why does anything that Hunter Biden does matter?  If nothing Jared Kushner did mattered, nothing Hunter does matters either.  You keep giving details of the thing, but I already told you it doesn't matter and why it doesn't matter. 

Now, if Chinese money was making it from Hunter to Joe, that would be different.  Neither a President nor a Presidential candidate can legally accept foreign money.  But no one is saying Hunter shares his winnings with his dad.  

I'm completely aware that many of you think I'm a poser or not serious and it doesn't feel great, but I'm more concerned about what it says about us as a country.  Where are we as a country if we think the only serious people are ones whose beliefs and judgements conform to one of two menus of ideology? Is this not encouraging politicians to be even more divisive?

I also think you misunderstand the nature of my defense of leftists and of the media.  I'm only saying that some of the charges against them are overwrought or hypocritical.  I'm not saying they are good.  I'm saying they are necessary.  If there are leftist people in this country, there must be leftist politicians, and they deserve some modicum of respect from all of us.  If we are to have informed voters, there must be an open media space, where it is inevitable that some outlets will make errors and omissions that must be corrected by others.  I'm not saying any of these things are good.  I'm not sure if it was Churchill or Lewis who said, "This system is by no means good, except, it is better than all alternatives." That's where I'm coming from. In your zeal to inflame passions against the system we have and the officials it empowers, what direction are you really pushing things?

My whole point was how, by and large, the media is essentially the propaganda arm of the democrat party. Anything else springing from my initial response is you dragging it in that direction. You claim you want reasons why you are wrong when someone responds to you.  Don’t now complain when you get them.

Hunter Biden matters more than Jared Kushner because of the obvious circumstances surrounding Hunter.  For all intents and purposes he’s a deadbeat placed on Burisma’s board, selling his “artwork”, emails indicating a cut for “the big guy”, etc.  Corruption matters right?  Scrutinize the hell out of Jared, I don’t care.  If he’s guilty of selling influence on behalf of Trump lock them both up. Foreign money in our elections and politics is illegal but not properly enforced and it should be with severe penalties including jail time.  With Hunter though, there just happens to be a pretty damning trail of evidence behind him that you seem apt to dismiss or defend.  That’s the difference.

A media is necessary, but a heavily tilted media either way is a threat to the republic.  I don’t care that the media is hard on republicans.  They should be.  If you can’t answer tough questions as a politician, you shouldn’t be there.  What I care about is that they don’t do this for democrats by default unless it’s time to get rid of one democrat for another.

I'm not complaining, in fact thank you for explaining your thinking, I'm just telling you that I didn't find the argument persuasive, in fact I find the argument hypocritical.  Your particular spin is actually not hypocritical, because you are saying that both Hunter and Jared should be scrutinized to the point of casting a pall on both the current President and the former President.  I respect that but I think it's better at this point to ignore them both rather than punish them both.  
The comparison between Hunter and Jared actually points the other way.  Joe has never ever said he takes advice from Hunter.  Donald went out of his way to promote the public image of both his daughter and his son and law as important advisors on public policy.  If our expectations for them were different, our expectations for Jared would be higher. 
I just want you to notice, that when the MSM presented the facts about Jared, it was very ho-hum.  A media that truly was in the bag for Democrats would have pushed that angle harder.  The handful of folks who tried to get Trump punished under the emoluments clause were portrayed in MSM as jokes and cranks.

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