(06-29-2022, 11:11 AM)jagibelieve Wrote:

(06-29-2022, 09:59 AM)mikesez Wrote: The lady's testimony was secondhand anyhow.  First we need to hear from this Ornato person.  Did he actually tell her that, and who did he hear that from.  If Ornato says under oath that the drivers told him about "lunging for the wheel" day of, that would suggest that the drivers are changing their story now.

No need to talk to this person.

Tony Ornato did not brief Cassidy Hutchinson that Trump tried to lunge at Secret Service agent: sources

From the article:

Quote:A source close to former Trump Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations Tony Ornato says he did not brief Jan. 6 Committee witness Cassidy Hutchinson on one of the major allegation she made to the committee Tuesday.

Hutchinson, a former top aide to White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, testified to lawmakers Tuesday that Ornato told her former President Donald Trump repeatedly demanded that the Secret Service take him to the Capitol on January 6. Ornato further told Hutchinson, according to her, that Trump lunged at a Secret Service agent and tried to grab the wheel of a presidential SUV when agents would not allow that.

However, a source close to Ornato told Fox News that Ornato watched the hearing yesterday and was shocked when Cassidy made the allegation about the steering wheel.

Perhaps this "witness" (Cassidy) lied under oath.

Fox generally does a decent job on these things, and then their headline writers bungle them up.
Read the article.
It says Ornato and Engels have already confirmed under oath that Trump was angry in the SUV and wanted to go the the Capitol regardless of the danger.
Regardless of if they agree about the trying to grab the steering wheel part, the other parts are enough to establish mens rea on Trump’s part.

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(06-29-2022, 11:12 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote:

(06-29-2022, 11:04 AM)jaglou53 Wrote: Thanks for bringing some sanity to this board. Frankly, I don't know how you continue to debate the Trump supporters; it's literally like banging your head against the wall. These people will never change their views regardless of what damning evidence is found. If a Democratic president did the same things Trump did prior to, during and after January 6 imagine what their response would be.

You're insane. We wouldn't even get to January 6th. There would have been immediate investigations and the MSM would have talked about stolen elections non-stop. Not only that, but there would also have been massive, violent riots that would be deemed mostly peaceful. If an establishment President did what Trump did, you'd get an entirely different narrative coming out of the MSM. Period. And you, and everyone like you, who is incapable of recognizing they are being manipulated, would be on the opposite side of this issue.

An establishment President would not have falsely claimed that vote totals were faked or any other election irregularity.

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