(08-07-2022, 12:10 PM)Ronster Wrote:

(08-07-2022, 10:26 AM)mikesez Wrote: Where in the constitution say that the people can't vote for socialism or any other thing that the people want? I agree that some ideas would require a Constitutional amendment, but the people are allowed to vote for Representatives that would adopt such amendments.

Because, it will deny me my “inalienable rights” if those laws get in my way of Life, Liberty and stops me from pursuing Happiness then it’s my right, no my duty to fight that by any means necessary. And that is what the framers had in mind.

“Congress shall pass no law”

Look it up chief

Yeah that's completely incorrect.

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(08-07-2022, 12:24 PM)Sneakers Wrote:

(08-06-2022, 07:08 PM)mikesez Wrote: The people were using threats of kidnapping and execution to prevent officials from doing their duty under the constitution.  They were saying that their interpretation of who won which state was more valid than the interpretation from the states themselves. If that's not burning the constitution I don't know what is.

You're also misrepresenting me regarding efforts from the progressive left to use violence. I don't think that's acceptable at all.  And I don't think it's acceptable for anyone, left, or right, to say things about our constitution being to inconvenient or too old fashioned and it should be disobeyed.  We obviously need to amend the thing in some ways.  Leftists say "don't listen to those dead white slaveholders," and that's obviously completely wrong.  

But when right wing people say "we can't let people vote for socialism" or "we can't let people vote themselves more money," that's equally wrong.  Right wingers should work to convince people to their way of thinking, so voters don't want to vote themselves more money, but the Constitution provides absolutely no refuge to anyone who wants to prevent adults from voting on any topic they want to vote on.

Thanks for clarifying your opinion of the 1st Amendment.  I think we all know where you stand on the 2nd.  How many others would you like to abolish?

I didn't say people speaking against the constitution should be punished in most circumstances.   I said in extreme circumstances it can become necessary to punish them in order to preserve the union.  And the main point was that if circumstances do become that extreme, both the right and the left will need to change the way they've been talking.

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