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#21

Are you fing serious? Do you even read about the collateral damage of the shootings in Chicago? A lot of innocent kids get killed playing in the park, sitting in a car, sleeping in their own freaking bed. And no it's not all gang related.
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#22

(07-06-2022, 10:43 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(07-06-2022, 09:40 PM)Sneakers Wrote: FIFY   "We all" aren't quite as naive as you.

Ok.  So why do you think those other shootings don't make the news?


Black on black crime ain't worth the time or the ink because it doesn't advance the Oppression Narrative.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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#23
(This post was last modified: 07-07-2022, 07:15 AM by The Real Marty. Edited 5 times in total.)

(07-06-2022, 10:43 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(07-06-2022, 09:40 PM)Sneakers Wrote: FIFY   "We all" aren't quite as naive as you.

Ok.  So why do you think those other shootings don't make the news?

It's the same reason the media gives wall-to-wall coverage to plane crashes while they ignore 50,000 deaths per year from car crashes.  It's abnormal enough that people are interested.  

If you want to know why anyone or any entity does anything, the first thing you should look at is the profit motive.  It may look like they have an agenda, but their real agenda is money.

Fox News, MSNBC, Breitbart, et al, or whichever one you like, may look like they are standing up for truth, justice, fairness and balance, the American way, salute the flag, etc, support the troops, racial equity, etc, but that's just what they're selling.  It's a business.  If you want to figure out the motivation for anything, the first thing you should look at is the profit motive.

Mass shootings sell.  Daily shootings don't interest people.  That's all there is to it.
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#24

(07-07-2022, 12:33 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(07-06-2022, 10:43 PM)mikesez Wrote: Ok.  So why do you think those other shootings don't make the news?


Black on black crime ain't worth the time or the ink because it doesn't advance the Oppression Narrative.

On the other side of that coin it also conveniently avoids the soft racism of democrats. If white people were murdering each other at the same rates and in the same population concentrations, democrats would raise the alarm and propose measures to curtail it. Not so for the black population because they can be relied upon as automatic voting blocs. Why challenge the culture which perpetuates that behavior and risk losing votes when they can simply do nothing and reap the rewards?
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#25

(07-07-2022, 12:33 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(07-06-2022, 10:43 PM)mikesez Wrote: Ok.  So why do you think those other shootings don't make the news?


Black on black crime ain't worth the time or the ink because it doesn't advance the Oppression Narrative.

You don't think there's a market opportunity for one of the many competing media outlets to decide to adopt different narrative? Fox News spends a little time on it, but for no other purpose than to smear the other outlets for not covering it at all.
Every gun death in Chicago gets covered in the local news, FWIW.
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#26

Source?
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#27

(07-07-2022, 08:13 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(07-07-2022, 12:33 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Black on black crime ain't worth the time or the ink because it doesn't advance the Oppression Narrative.

You don't think there's a market opportunity for one of the many competing media outlets to decide to adopt different narrative? Fox News spends a little time on it, but for no other purpose than to smear the other outlets for not covering it at all.
Every gun death in Chicago gets covered in the local news, FWIW.

The offshoot "conservative" media already does but their voice isn't loud enough. The same with Black on Any Other Race crime, the media suppresses those stories because the truth that the majority of violent crime in this Country is committed by one particular minority race and sex demographic is anathema to the "they're all victims of Systemic Patriarchal White Supremacist Racism" narrative and their grievance platform would be destroyed. And it's not like there's political homogenization in these media rooms, they're all Democrats spouting their ideology, an ideology was best summed up by that famous scene in the Godfather regarding the selling of narcotics. No, the Truth is subservient to the Narrative.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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#28
(This post was last modified: 07-07-2022, 02:12 PM by mikesez.)

(07-07-2022, 09:25 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(07-07-2022, 08:13 AM)mikesez Wrote: You don't think there's a market opportunity for one of the many competing media outlets to decide to adopt different narrative? Fox News spends a little time on it, but for no other purpose than to smear the other outlets for not covering it at all.
Every gun death in Chicago gets covered in the local news, FWIW.

The offshoot "conservative" media already does but their voice isn't loud enough. The same with Black on Any Other Race crime, the media suppresses those stories because the truth that the majority of violent crime in this Country is committed by one particular minority race and sex demographic is anathema to the "they're all victims of Systemic Patriarchal White Supremacist Racism" narrative and their grievance platform would be destroyed. And it's not like there's political homogenization in these media rooms, they're all Democrats spouting their ideology, an ideology was best summed up by that famous scene in the Godfather regarding the selling of narcotics. No, the Truth is subservient to the Narrative.

Voices are as loud as the number of listeners.  Listeners look for information that is presented in a way they understand, and then advertisers follow the listeners, and it's all a virtuous cycle.  If a voice exists but is "too quiet" it's because too few listeners found it credible or comprehensible.

And anyhow, the high number of violent crimes committed by black people doesn't really detract from the narrative that they are also victims of racism.  Victims often lash out.  We also know that a life of crime is more attractive to people with severe finial hardship than those who are well off, to put it mildly.  So I don't think the two narratives are conflicting at all.
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#29

(07-07-2022, 02:12 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(07-07-2022, 09:25 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: The offshoot "conservative" media already does but their voice isn't loud enough. The same with Black on Any Other Race crime, the media suppresses those stories because the truth that the majority of violent crime in this Country is committed by one particular minority race and sex demographic is anathema to the "they're all victims of Systemic Patriarchal White Supremacist Racism" narrative and their grievance platform would be destroyed. And it's not like there's political homogenization in these media rooms, they're all Democrats spouting their ideology, an ideology was best summed up by that famous scene in the Godfather regarding the selling of narcotics. No, the Truth is subservient to the Narrative.

Voices are as loud as the number of listeners.  Listeners look for information that is presented in a way they understand, and then advertisers follow the listeners, and it's all a virtuous cycle.  If a voice exists but is "too quiet" it's because too few listeners found it credible or comprehensible.

And anyhow, the high number of violent crimes committed by black people doesn't really detract from the narrative that they are also victims of racism.  Victims often lash out.  We also know that a life of crime is more attractive to people with severe finial hardship than those who are well off, to put it mildly.  So I don't think the two narratives are conflicting at all.

I think this is a very good point. A lot of crimes are committed by the poor. The question that needs to be asked if why they black community are disproportionately poor? Which is the true fact behind the crime statistics.
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#30

The welfare state created that disparity.
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#31

(07-07-2022, 04:34 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: The welfare state created that disparity.

I do actually agree with that, it was an inadvertent consequence that somehow needs to be corrected. 

The point is though, poor people commit crime at a higher % rather than an ethnicity having it hardwired into their brain
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#32

(07-07-2022, 04:34 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: The welfare state created that disparity.

...and has intentionally kept it that way by voter intimidation.
Looking to troll? Don't bother, we supply our own.

 

 
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#33

(07-07-2022, 04:22 PM)Dockerill91 Wrote:
(07-07-2022, 02:12 PM)mikesez Wrote: Voices are as loud as the number of listeners.  Listeners look for information that is presented in a way they understand, and then advertisers follow the listeners, and it's all a virtuous cycle.  If a voice exists but is "too quiet" it's because too few listeners found it credible or comprehensible.

And anyhow, the high number of violent crimes committed by black people doesn't really detract from the narrative that they are also victims of racism.  Victims often lash out.  We also know that a life of crime is more attractive to people with severe finial hardship than those who are well off, to put it mildly.  So I don't think the two narratives are conflicting at all.

I think this is a very good point. A lot of crimes are committed by the poor. The question that needs to be asked if why they black community are disproportionately poor? Which is the true fact behind the crime statistics.

They're poor because they don't get and stay married. And the more that behavior infects the other racial the groups the more it also proves true there as well. And the more urban black culture dominates society the more that happens, so it might not be hardwired into specific people but it's certainly a dominating influence.

And, as we see here, people immediately start making excuses for anti-social and criminal behavior as soon at we start discussing it.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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#34

IQ also plays a role, which is also caused by our terrible welfare system.
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#35
(This post was last modified: 07-07-2022, 06:05 PM by mikesez.)

(07-07-2022, 04:34 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: The welfare state created that disparity.

Oh no.  The disparity already existed.  The disparity existed when black people gained citizenship in 1868 and it persists. 
We know this because if you read any pro-segregation essays from the 1950s and early 1960s, they will tell you that the disparity already existed, and they will say this justifies their racism.
The welfare state, starting around 1965, might be making it better or worse, but, the impact is certainly smaller than the impact of redlining, which existed from the beginning but peaked in the late 1930s.

(07-07-2022, 04:52 PM)Dockerill91 Wrote:
(07-07-2022, 04:34 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: The welfare state created that disparity.

I do actually agree with that, it was an inadvertent consequence that somehow needs to be corrected. 

The point is though, poor people commit crime at a higher % rather than an ethnicity having it hardwired into their brain

Exactly, but these folks don't like staying on the point.
My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.
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(This post was last modified: 07-07-2022, 06:17 PM by mikesez. Edited 1 time in total.)

(07-07-2022, 05:32 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(07-07-2022, 04:22 PM)Dockerill91 Wrote: I think this is a very good point. A lot of crimes are committed by the poor. The question that needs to be asked if why they black community are disproportionately poor? Which is the true fact behind the crime statistics.

They're poor because they don't get and stay married. And the more that behavior infects the other racial the groups the more it also proves true there as well. And the more urban black culture dominates society the more that happens, so it might not be hardwired into specific people but it's certainly a dominating influence.

And, as we see here, people immediately start making excuses for anti-social and criminal behavior as soon at we start discussing it.

You make a good point about marriage, but thats another issue that correlates with poverty as well as race.
As for your last statement, it's not an excuse, it's an explanation.  Crimes are punished regardless of the explanation.
My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.
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#37

(07-07-2022, 06:04 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(07-07-2022, 04:34 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: The welfare state created that disparity.

Oh no.  The disparity already existed.  The disparity existed when black people gained citizenship in 1868 and it persists. 
We know this because if you read any pro-segregation essays from the 1950s and early 1960s, they will tell you that the disparity already existed, and they will say this justifies their racism.
The welfare state, starting around 1965, might be making it better or worse, but, the impact is certainly smaller than the impact of redlining, which existed from the beginning but peaked in the late 1930s.

(07-07-2022, 04:52 PM)Dockerill91 Wrote: I do actually agree with that, it was an inadvertent consequence that somehow needs to be corrected. 

The point is though, poor people commit crime at a higher % rather than an ethnicity having it hardwired into their brain

Exactly, but these folks don't like staying on the point.

Lol, you of all people...
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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#38

Ah yes, the poor, pitiful poor who just can't be expected to obey the law and not try to rob, steal, and kill their fellow citizens.

https://twitter.com/Breaking_4_News/stat...e.mu.nu%2F

And yeah, the Manhattan DA is charging the guy who was getting beaten up with 2nd degree murder and the judge held the guy whose worked in that store for 3 decades and never had a criminal offense in Riker's on $250,000 bond. And of course our tech friends at GoFundMe took down his financing campaign after people donated $20,000 towards his defense, without an explanation, because of course they did.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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#39

Wouldn't it be amazing if our liberal and moderate friends could pick up on the trends and patterns of the progressive left and make better choices about what's important?
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(This post was last modified: 07-07-2022, 09:47 PM by mikesez. Edited 1 time in total.)

(07-07-2022, 08:47 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Ah yes, the poor, pitiful poor who just can't be expected to obey the law and not try to rob, steal, and kill their fellow citizens.

https://twitter.com/Breaking_4_News/stat...e.mu.nu%2F

And yeah, the Manhattan DA is charging the guy who was getting beaten up with 2nd degree murder and the judge held the guy whose worked in that store for 3 decades and never had a criminal offense in Riker's on $250,000 bond. And of course our tech friends at GoFundMe took down his financing campaign after people donated $20,000 towards his defense, without an explanation, because of course they did.

He should never have been charged.  They make fun of the stand your ground law but this is what it's about.  The right to self defense doesn't go away when you leave your home.
Anyhow NY has never had such a law and they think FL things are disgusting. They don't like us, so they have some motive to make themselves less like us, even when we have good ideas. But we have the same thing with them, and they have good ideas that we won't listen to because we hate them.
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