It just irks me that we coulda spend a 2nd/3rd on C/G last year but we took backups for two of our better positions.

I covered this in another thread.  The guards and centers that were actually drafted last year did poorly as rookies.  The ones that saw the field, anyways.

No they didn't.  We should have drafted Torrence and Dawand Jones, both would be huge upgrades to this oline.  I wanted both and arguably the BPA when we drafted and both positions of need. Both have helped their teams to the playoffs

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I covered this in another thread.  The guards and centers that were actually drafted last year did poorly as rookies.  The ones that saw the field, anyways.

No they didn't.  We should have drafted Torrence and Dawand Jones, both would be huge upgrades to this oline.  I wanted both and arguably the BPA when we drafted and both positions of need.  Both have helped their teams to the playoffs

I was pissed when we passed over Torrence.

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No they didn't.  We should have drafted Torrence and Dawand Jones, both would be huge upgrades to this oline.  I wanted both and arguably the BPA when we drafted and both positions of need.  Both have helped their teams to the playoffs

I was pissed when we passed over Torrence.

Same, I was pissed when we passed on Torrence and Jones.  Jones was actually the RT I wanted and he has been very good for the Browns.  He can run and pass block

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I was pissed when we passed over Torrence.

Same, I was pissed when we passed on Torrence and Jones.  Jones was actually the RT I wanted and he has been very good for the Browns.  He can run and pass block

I wanted torrence as well

I expected us to take him in 1st tbh

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I covered this in another thread.  The guards and centers that were actually drafted last year did poorly as rookies.  The ones that saw the field, anyways.

No they didn't.  We should have drafted Torrence and Dawand Jones, both would be huge upgrades to this oline.  I wanted both and arguably the BPA when we drafted and both positions of need.  Both have helped their teams to the playoffs

Torrence did not grade our well this year. PFF had Ben Bartch higher.

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No they didn't.  We should have drafted Torrence and Dawand Jones, both would be huge upgrades to this oline.  I wanted both and arguably the BPA when we drafted and both positions of need.  Both have helped their teams to the playoffs

Torrence did not grade our well this year. PFF had Ben Bartch higher.

[BLEEP] the grades.  Watch him play.  Ben Bartch is graded much higher than Anton Harrison.  So you obviously think think Bartch is better than Harrison.  Torrence helped Buffalo become one of the better olines this year and helped James Cook to the Pro Bowl and helped Buffalo to the playoffs.  James Cook had 179 rushing yards against Dallas a couple of weeks ago.  Torrence has a higher grade than Travon Walker since you are only going by a pff grade lol

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At RG I don't want Scherff back, he is is not worth his salary, not even close.

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At RG I don't want Scherff back, he is is not worth his salary, not even close.

DiRoc was saying he was 14th in pass protection per ESPN's ranking system but he was dealing with a lower abdominal injury all year and an ankle issue.

Not sure where he was at run blocking wise though. They said 1 out of every 4 rushing attempts resulted in either 0 yards gained or negative yardage.

Despite Pederson's public vote of confidence for Fortner, DiRoc also heard from within the organization that Fortner has been a massive disappointment and that he was a Baalke pick.

Goes back to scheme though. They really want lighter guys that can move in their system and they have failed in evaulating and finding a good balance of both.

So, interesting tidbits there. Fortner was told to get heavier and stronger in the off season. Looks like he didn't. Obviously.

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At RG I don't want Scherff back, he is is not worth his salary, not even close.

And we save enough even with the dead money to find a replacement AND another player or two.

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At RG I don't want Scherff back, he is is not worth his salary, not even close.

DiRoc was saying he was 14th in pass protection per ESPN's ranking system but he was dealing with a lower abdominal injury all year and an ankle issue.

Not sure where he was at run blocking wise though. They said 1 out of every 4 rushing attempts resulted in either 0 yards gained or negative yardage.

Despite Pederson's public vote of confidence for Fortner, DiRoc also heard from within the organization that Fortner has been a massive disappointment and that he was a Baalke pick.

Goes back to scheme though. They really want lighter guys that can move in their system and they have failed in evaulating and finding a good balance of both.

So, interesting tidbits there. Fortner was told to get heavier and stronger in the off season. Looks like he didn't. Obviously.

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Wasn't he dealing with injuries last year too though?  I think we at least need to draft his eventual replacement if not replace him in free agency.

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DiRoc was saying he was 14th in pass protection per ESPN's ranking system but he was dealing with a lower abdominal injury all year and an ankle issue.

Not sure where he was at run blocking wise though. They said 1 out of every 4 rushing attempts resulted in either 0 yards gained or negative yardage.

Despite Pederson's public vote of confidence for Fortner, DiRoc also heard from within the organization that Fortner has been a massive disappointment and that he was a Baalke pick.

Goes back to scheme though. They really want lighter guys that can move in their system and they have failed in evaulating and finding a good balance of both.

So, interesting tidbits there. Fortner was told to get heavier and stronger in the off season. Looks like he didn't. Obviously.

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Wasn't he dealing with injuries last year too though?  I think we at least need to draft his eventual replacement if not replace him in free agency.

I'll be surprised if Scherff is still on the football team post June 1st. I think his replacement is either signed for cheap in free agency, or, it's possible Cooper Hodges is already his replacement and they want to see what they can get out of him. 

There's also the draft as well. LG, C & RG all need to be addressed between March and April. There's no getting around it, literally, this offense cannot get around it, it's an immovable object that sandbagged the entire team in 2023. 

My biggest concern is LT now. What do you do with Robinson? What do you do with Little?

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Harrison made All Rookie team at RT. I see Joe Tippmann there at C. Said we should have drafted him too.

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At RG I don't want Scherff back, he is is not worth his salary, not even close.

He's basically washed at this point. Jags need to free up some cap with the old washed dudes and revitalize the interior of the OL, DL too while we're at it. There is no reason if you think you have your franchise QB you should not be doing everything you can to make him thrive. I do not want another Luck situation where he retires after a preseason game because he is tired of getting destroyed out there.

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At RG I don't want Scherff back, he is is not worth his salary, not even close.

He's basically washed at this point. Jags need to free up some cap with the old washed dudes and revitalize the interior of the OL, DL too while we're at it. There is no reason if you think you have your franchise QB you should not be doing everything you can to make him thrive. I do not want another Luck situation where he retires after a preseason game because he is tired of getting destroyed out there.

At the risk of repeating myself 5 times on this, Scherff is still an above average pass protector but has fallen off tremendously in the run game unless he's pulling outside and throwing a block downfield. 

Couple that with his injury propensity and age and you've got a guy probably not worth the cap hit. 

An upgrade would be ideal - but they have to decide exactly how many guys they can replace up front in one offseason. If he stays - it's probably because they are making moves at C,LG and rethinking LT.

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He's basically washed at this point. Jags need to free up some cap with the old washed dudes and revitalize the interior of the OL, DL too while we're at it. There is no reason if you think you have your franchise QB you should not be doing everything you can to make him thrive. I do not want another Luck situation where he retires after a preseason game because he is tired of getting destroyed out there.

At the risk of repeating myself 5 times on this, Scherff is still an above average pass protector but has fallen off tremendously in the run game unless he's pulling outside and throwing a block downfield. 

Couple that with his injury propensity and age and you've got a guy probably not worth the cap hit. 

An upgrade would be ideal - but they have to decide exactly how many guys they can replace up front in one offseason. If he stays - it's probably because they are making moves at C,LG and rethinking LT.

Isn't a guard supposed to be a mauler in the running game and if he can hold a block on pass pro that's a bonus? 

No wonder we fail.

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At the risk of repeating myself 5 times on this, Scherff is still an above average pass protector but has fallen off tremendously in the run game unless he's pulling outside and throwing a block downfield. 

Couple that with his injury propensity and age and you've got a guy probably not worth the cap hit. 

An upgrade would be ideal - but they have to decide exactly how many guys they can replace up front in one offseason. If he stays - it's probably because they are making moves at C,LG and rethinking LT.

Isn't a guard supposed to be a mauler in the running game and if he can hold a block on pass pro that's a bonus? 

No wonder we fail.

Depends on your system and offensive philosophy. Sounds like Doug likes his big sloppy's on the nimble side. What he had with the Eagles was BOTH. Kelce is quick and strong, Peters was quick and strong, Johnson was quick and strong. We just have a bunch of guys that are barely quick, not so strong and injury prone.

Harrison is a good start in the right direction. They're going to have to find a LT in this year's draft in my opinion. I don't think Robinson will take a pay cut nor do I think Little is the answer. I would rather see Little or Cleveland back at LG in 2024 with this team adding a stout LT on the opening night of the draft. 

Would prefer a Center signed up in March and then we draft another RG in RD2 or RD3 of the draft to replace Scherff while competing with guys like Hance and potentially Hodges if he's back in year two and ready to go from his rookie season. 

It's not an easy fix though, for sure. But, they have to start somewhere and it really needs to start in the middle with Fortner getting canned on the sideline. That's the biggest need entering this off season. By a landslide. Problem is, you don't typically see teams drafting Centers that high in RD1. 

That's why I think you have to get it done in March, followed by beefing up the LT position early in April. Fuaga & Latham may be on the team's radar on the opening night of the draft. You can probably entertain the idea of swapping Harrison around with one of them as well between RT/LT.

I was on the fence about moving Harrison to LT already in year two but he may be the better option to protect Trevor's blindside. Fuaga and Latham would offer excellent upgrades to the line at RT though. Either one of those guys would be fine in my opinion.

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Isn't a guard supposed to be a mauler in the running game and if he can hold a block on pass pro that's a bonus? 

No wonder we fail.

Depends on your system and offensive philosophy. Sounds like Doug likes his big sloppy's on the nimble side. What he had with the Eagles was BOTH. Kelce is quick and strong, Peters was quick and strong, Johnson was quick and strong. We just have a bunch of guys that are barely quick, not so strong and injury prone.

Harrison is a good start in the right direction. They're going to have to find a LT in this year's draft in my opinion. I don't Robinson will take a pay cut nor do I think Little is the answer. I would rather see Little or Cleveland back at LG in 2024 with this team adding a stout LT on the opening night of the draft. 

Would prefer a Center signed up in March and then we draft another RG in RD2 or RD3 of the draft to replace Scherff while competing with guys like Hance and potentially Hodges if he's back in year two and ready to go from his rookie season. 

It's not an easy fix though, for sure. But, they have to start somewhere and it really needs to start in the middle with Fortner getting canned on the sideline. That's the biggest need entering this off season. By a landslide. Problem is, you don't typically see teams drafting Centers that high in RD1. 

That's why I think you have to get it done in March, followed by beefing up the LT position early in April. Fuaga & Latham may be on the team's radar on the opening night of the draft. You can probably entertain the idea of swapping Harrison around with one of them as well between RT/LT.

I guess i just miss our power running days. Our Samoan giants at guard just wrecking people.

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We either need to acquire a blue chip center in the draft or sign a good veteran. Find a way to retain Cam and let him battle it out with Walker.

I’d say we need to add 3 bodies inside. Big strong nasty bodies. Add Hodges to that mix and let them compete to start.

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At the risk of repeating myself 5 times on this, Scherff is still an above average pass protector but has fallen off tremendously in the run game unless he's pulling outside and throwing a block downfield. 

Couple that with his injury propensity and age and you've got a guy probably not worth the cap hit. 

An upgrade would be ideal - but they have to decide exactly how many guys they can replace up front in one offseason. If he stays - it's probably because they are making moves at C,LG and rethinking LT.

Isn't a guard supposed to be a mauler in the running game and if he can hold a block on pass pro that's a bonus? 

No wonder we fail.

Every staff has a run scheme and seeks out traits in their linemen based on that scheme.
This staff has prioritized mobility and athleticism over the "mauler" prototype and it barely worked just enough in 2022 before failing miserably in 2023. 
I believe they desperately need to adjust the traits they have targeted at Center and Guard to place players there who can be athletic "enough" but still big and strong enough to gut out a two yard power run on 3rd down when we need it to continue a drive or cross the goal line.

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We either need to acquire a blue chip center in the draft or sign a good veteran. Find a way to retain Cam and let him battle it out with Walker.

I’d say we need to add 3 bodies inside. Big strong nasty bodies. Add Hodges to that mix and let them compete to start.

Center has to be the #1 priority.  And then after that, offensive guard.  

If we had had Jason Kelce at Center instead of Luke Fortner, we'd be a contender.   Fortner had an offseason to get stronger, and he couldn't do it. 

We simply HAVE to get stronger at Center.  That has to be the #1 priority in the draft or free agency.

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