(02-12-2023, 12:10 PM)The Real Marty Wrote:

(02-12-2023, 11:37 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: Shatley and Fortner here:

So what is your conclusion here?  I don't necessarily disagree that we should upgrade our offensive line, but showing a few bad plays doesn't prove that point.  Occasionally, the defensive linemen do win.   They get paid, too.

Well, I'm not even halfway through the fifth game of posting "a few bad plays" out of seventeen games. 
So... judge away I guess. 

If you're asking about this play you've quoted in particular, my conclusion is that your LG and C should never, under any circumstance lose when blocking one player in tandem in under 1.6 seconds. That's terrible. 

If you want general conclusions about what I'm seeing from this OL while reviewing these games in all22 and all of the stats associated with them:

• Our QB got hit 36 times last year. More than a third of those appeared wholly unnecessary and strictly due to poor line play and one of them nearly ended his season before we could complete our run to the postseason. 
  
• Our QB was the fourth most hurried QB in the league 
  
• 2.5 seconds is the accepted benchmark for pocket time before release for quality QBs - Trevor is getting it out in 2.2 because he doesn't have a choice on the majority of snaps - he's under pressure well before that time elapses far too often
  
• Our ability to throw deep would have a major uptick if that number went to 2.5 or 2.6  seconds - we rarely even try to do so with our current situation - 21 teams attempted 30 yard passes or greater more often than the Jags last year
  
• Trevor not only rarely has the benchmark of 2.5 seconds to work with, he rarely has a pocket to work within, often forced to move laterally or he's unable to step into a throw without contact with his own lineman or a defender
  
• 27 Quarterbacks in the NFL with 8 or more starts in 2022 experienced more pocket time than Trevor Lawrence. 
  
• What do you think he'd accomplish with league average pocket time compared to what he's getting? 
  

My conclusions are basic and obvious. 
The interior line is not good enough. (neither is Robinson, but that's another thread) 

Not adding competition to compete with Bartch, Fortner and Scherff would be a big mistake. 
Scherff may come around when healthy.
Fortner may get stronger and quicker to read defensive stunts.
Bartch may come back from injury and play significantly better than Shatley did.

Personally - I think we are squandering great opportunity if we just sit back and roll the dice on those things working out well. 

We are also risking the health of the most important piece of the puzzle that represents our current window of repeated postseason opportunity.

I want to protect the kid, and I want him to have a fair shot of reaching his potential. 
Simple.

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(02-12-2023, 01:54 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote:

(02-12-2023, 12:10 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: So what is your conclusion here?  I don't necessarily disagree that we should upgrade our offensive line, but showing a few bad plays doesn't prove that point.  Occasionally, the defensive linemen do win.   They get paid, too.

I agree.  I think we should upgrade offensive line too, but don't see what these clips prove.  Fortner took over 1,100 offensive snaps last year.  If you include special teams, it's almost 1,200.  NYC has shown around 20 plays here.  Even if he expands it to 100, that still means he isn't showing us over 90% of his plays.  I think you could make Trevor Lawrence or virtually any other player look bad if you selectively pick out their worst plays.

I'm not even halfway through the fifth game of tape

Sorry - I don't have all day to sit around grabbing clips from the all22 
I do a little bit here and there when I find time

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