(01-25-2023, 03:45 PM)The Real Marty Wrote:

(01-25-2023, 03:33 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: I've been a broken record about the deficiency here this year and many of you have let me know I'm perhaps too over-the-top in my criticism. 
Maybe.
But nonetheless - here is a thread on the topic and I'll be posting gifs of some of the gaffes as I compile them.

As mentioned in another thread, you'll notice stunts and twists giving these guys fits at times. They release guys inside too often. Some run blocking mishaps mixed in too. 

I started roughly around mid season in reviewing all22 footage and focused on Fortner. I'm only three games in, but here's what I've found so far:

"Find some bad plays by the center."  

My question is, can you do this with any other team?  In other words, is it really abnormal for a defensive line stunt to work occasionally?

(01-25-2023, 08:21 PM)rfc17 Wrote: I dont think Fortner is going anywhere.  Boselli has talked highly of him.  In Baalke's presser, he talked highly of him.  Lageman has as well.  Everyone has said Fortner needs a full offseason to workout and get stronger.  But you can tell the team seems to love his smarts, his attitude, etc... just that he needs to get stronger.  I'd be stunned if he isn't starting at center next year.  Stunned!  Scherff isn't going anywhere due to his salary.  Only question is if they bring in help to backfill Bartch.  But that also depends on if they thought Bartch was doing well before getting hurt.  Not as though he got benched, he just got hurt.  Shatley is a great swing backup so I'm sure he'll be back as well.  And if they bring back Jawaan, possible they start Little at LG and use Bartch and Shatley as the swing guys.

(01-26-2023, 12:35 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: Now post his good plays. Some of these are stunts and twists. But you’re right, we need a pro bowl center or just under pro bowl level at every position.

We made the playoffs with him. I wonder if Fortner can slow Kelce down or Mahome Boy.

How come Walker ain’t getting this same treatment. It’s always too soon with him tho. Same crowd that said Taylor sucked. I made a challenge thread and everybody quickly changed their perception bc they actually went back and watched. Everybody in sports has a low light real.

The real problem is Scherff.

make all the low lights you want, Fortner will still be the center for the next 3 years. Here’s some other stuff to cry about, if they resign Taylor, Little is going straight back to ridin pine or moving to Guard. (Facts)

(01-26-2023, 02:12 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Lol, rookie center plays like rookie center. Film at elev-...4:33pm yesterday.

(01-26-2023, 04:27 PM)MojoKing Wrote: Nobody:
Baalke: “Luke has a bright future in the NFL”
NYC: Deez GIFs doh

(02-12-2023, 12:10 PM)The Real Marty Wrote:

(02-12-2023, 11:37 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: Shatley and Fortner here:

So what is your conclusion here?  I don't necessarily disagree that we should upgrade our offensive line, but showing a few bad plays doesn't prove that point.  Occasionally, the defensive linemen do win.   They get paid, too.

Welp -

This old thread illustrates the concern I had last year about Center and LG. 

I thought we'd need to at least draft one good player who could cover either Center or Guard to make sure we didn't have a problem and not doing so has bitten us squarely in the backside. Bartch was terrible - Fortner has been too. 

Fortner has not developed yet and actually looks worse so far while saddled with bad LG play from Bartch and Shatlet + another injury for Scherff to struggler playing through. 

Can't go back and fix the draft or free agency moves now, so we just have to hope the LT/LG shakeup we have on tap with Cam and Little will help Fortner pick up his play and maybe Scherff gets a bit healthier. Unlikely at his age playing on an injured ankle every week. But, I'll hold out hope. He protected quite well in week 4. Maybe that will be a trend. 

Anyway - all you folks quoted who thought I was being hypercritical to point out Fortner and Shatley struggling are welcome to eat your damn crow any old time here. LOL

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