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(This post was last modified: 01-25-2024, 02:01 AM by PV=nRT. Edited 1 time in total.)

(01-21-2024, 11:12 AM)cland Wrote: Well the Ravens defense and Lamar's legs were too much for the Texans, but it was a great start for the first year of the rebuild. We've got our Head Coach and our new QB. The biggest offensive issue is a lack of a running game to keep defenses honest.  Defense needs some additional pass rushers, particularly from the interior defensive line. I'll trust Caserio to use our huge cap to bring in the right FAs, and hopefully have another successful draft like 2023.

Less than 200 yards and no touchdowns against the Ravens.  Didn't TLaw get over 250 against them on a gimpy ankle with 1 TD throw and another one dropped?

Am I doing this right?
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(01-25-2024, 12:26 AM)PV=nRT Wrote:
(01-21-2024, 11:12 AM)cland Wrote: Well the Ravens defense and Lamar's legs were too much for the Texans, but it was a great start for the first year of the rebuild. We've got our Head Coach and our new QB. The biggest offensive issue is a lack of a running game to keep defenses honest.  Defense needs some additional pass rushers, particularly from the interior defensive line. I'll trust Caserio to use our huge cap to bring in the right FAs, and hopefully have another successful draft like 2023.

Less than 200 yards and no touchdowns against the Ravens.  Didn't TLaw get over 250 against them on a gimpy ankle with 1 TD throw and another one dropped?

Am I doing this right?

That is correct.  Didn't TLaw throw 0 TDs and 4 INTs with a healthy ankle against the Titans for a 35.5 Passer Rating in his rookie year?

Depends what you are trying to do, but I'll preemptively say No.
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(01-25-2024, 12:38 PM)cland Wrote:
(01-25-2024, 12:26 AM)PV=nRT Wrote: Less than 200 yards and no touchdowns against the Ravens.  Didn't TLaw get over 250 against them on a gimpy ankle with 1 TD throw and another one dropped?

Am I doing this right?

That is correct.  Didn't TLaw throw 0 TDs and 4 INTs with a healthy ankle against the Titans for a 35.5 Passer Rating in his rookie year?

Depends what you are trying to do, but I'll preemptively say No.
Is your deflection confirmation from you that TLaw outperformed Stoud versus the Ravens despite being injured and not having Kirk?   Hey, I'm just participating in the ridiculous equivalencies that you guys keep pushing.   Looks like my point has been made.
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(01-25-2024, 01:10 PM)PV=nRT Wrote:
(01-25-2024, 12:38 PM)cland Wrote: That is correct.  Didn't TLaw throw 0 TDs and 4 INTs with a healthy ankle against the Titans for a 35.5 Passer Rating in his rookie year?

Depends what you are trying to do, but I'll preemptively say No.
Is your deflection confirmation from you that TLaw outperformed Stoud versus the Ravens despite being injured and not having Kirk?   Hey, I'm just participating in the ridiculous equivalencies that you guys keep pushing.   Looks like my point has been made.

If you want to hang your hat on TLaw's 23-7 Jaguars loss to the Ravens, then I guess I can't stop you.  All Hail the Generational, Awe-inspiring, QB that is named Trevor Lawrence!  Boo CJ Stroud, what a bust, take your rookie records/playoff win/and 100.8 passer rating and get out of the NFL!

Thank you setting me straight PV=nRT,  I shall now worship your football wisdom.
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Great news for the Texans, it looks like Bobby Slowik is coming back next year, according to convincing rumors that the Commanders are going to hire Ben Johnson and Seahawks are going to hire Dan Quinn.  I think it's hugely important that a rookie QB has some stability at the OC level.  Jerrod Johnson, the QB coach, is still at risk (for the Texans) of getting an OC job, but that's much better than going into a brand new offensive system.

Update: Both Slowik and Jerrod Johnson are coming back to the Texans. They both signed new deals to up their salary and have confirmed their return, great news for Stroud.
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(01-29-2024, 02:01 PM)cland Wrote: Great news for the Texans, it looks like Bobby Slowik is coming back next year, according to convincing rumors that the Commanders are going to hire Ben Johnson and Seahawks are going to hire Dan Quinn.  I think it's hugely important that a rookie QB has some stability at the OC level.  Jerrod Johnson, the QB coach, is still at risk (for the Texans) of getting an OC job, but that's much better than going into a brand new offensive system.

Update: Both Slowik and Jerrod Johnson are coming back to the Texans.  They both signed new deals to up their salary and have confirmed their return, great news for Stroud.

And they'll face a new defensive coordinator in Jax that served the tinhorns offense an "L" last season.
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(02-11-2024, 11:41 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(01-29-2024, 02:01 PM)cland Wrote: Great news for the Texans, it looks like Bobby Slowik is coming back next year, according to convincing rumors that the Commanders are going to hire Ben Johnson and Seahawks are going to hire Dan Quinn.  I think it's hugely important that a rookie QB has some stability at the OC level.  Jerrod Johnson, the QB coach, is still at risk (for the Texans) of getting an OC job, but that's much better than going into a brand new offensive system.

Update: Both Slowik and Jerrod Johnson are coming back to the Texans.  They both signed new deals to up their salary and have confirmed their return, great news for Stroud.

And they'll face a new defensive coordinator in Jax that served the tinhorns offense an "L" last season.

Technically, your old DC did too.  It'll be interesting to see what changes Nielsen brings, as you've mentioned he has historically run a man-heavy coverage defense being brought into a primarily zone defensive team. Do you think the Jags can manipulate the cap to bring in a solid man-cover CB or would they dedicate one of their top two draft picks? Or do you think he'll adapt his scheme to zone?

One of things I find funny, is a point you mentioned when I was laughing at how DCs never say they won't run an aggressive defense.

(01-17-2024, 09:29 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [...]
And coaches have an array of platitudes to describe less aggressive styles. 
"Read and react"
"Limit explosives"
"New plan for every opponent"
"We'll be multiple" 
"Tailor scheme to talent" 
Etc

And one of the articles I found, quoted him as saying 'We're going to be multiple': 

Nielsen quote

No real point to this comment, other than it lined up so well with some of the discussions we've had.
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(02-11-2024, 02:08 PM)cland Wrote:
(02-11-2024, 11:41 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: And they'll face a new defensive coordinator in Jax that served the tinhorns offense an "L" last season.

Technically, your old DC did too.  It'll be interesting to see what changes Nielsen brings, as you've mentioned he has historically run a man-heavy coverage defense being brought into a primarily zone defensive team. Do you think the Jags can manipulate the cap to bring in a solid man-cover CB or would they dedicate one of their top two draft picks? Or do you think he'll adapt his scheme to zone?

One of things I find funny, is a point you mentioned when I was laughing at how DCs never say they won't run an aggressive defense.

(01-17-2024, 09:29 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [...]
And coaches have an array of platitudes to describe less aggressive styles. 
"Read and react"
"Limit explosives"
"New plan for every opponent"
"We'll be multiple" 
"Tailor scheme to talent" 
Etc

And one of the articles I found, quoted him as saying 'We're going to be multiple': 

Nielsen quote

No real point to this comment, other than it lined up so well with some of the discussions we've had.

Ha! The multiple line is a good one. 
In Neilsen's case - he may feel like he HAS to be multiple more than he'd like due to the lack of man coverage specialists currently on the roster. 

It is hard to know to what degree Nielsen is going to adapt his scheme to the talent on hand - or adapt the talent to his scheme (via acquisitions) 

My best guess is that - if Nielsen has a solid 2024 campaign and is back in 2025, that would be the offseason when we see secondary changes. But it wouldn't shock me if they added a corner to the mix during this offseason.

One beat writer has mocked a 1st round corner to the Jags who has experience at nickel and outside - suggesting he'd play nickel in 2024 and then shift outside when Darious Williams' contract expires.  (Terrion Arnold is the rookie cited) 

I like that approach well enough, but I have a gut feeling they won't spend a 1st rounder at CB this year. 
I think the staff they've assembled are going to be tasked with developing the zone oriented CBs in Jacksonville to play more man coverage. Two of Nielsen's early hires on the defensive side have impressive resumes as DB coaches for some quality secondaries. 
So - I think the 2024 approach will be "let's see what we can get out of this bunch with minimal additions on the back end - but let's see if we can help them with interior pressure up front"
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(02-11-2024, 02:55 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(02-11-2024, 02:08 PM)cland Wrote: Technically, your old DC did too.  It'll be interesting to see what changes Nielsen brings, as you've mentioned he has historically run a man-heavy coverage defense being brought into a primarily zone defensive team. Do you think the Jags can manipulate the cap to bring in a solid man-cover CB or would they dedicate one of their top two draft picks? Or do you think he'll adapt his scheme to zone?

One of things I find funny, is a point you mentioned when I was laughing at how DCs never say they won't run an aggressive defense.


And one of the articles I found, quoted him as saying 'We're going to be multiple': 

Nielsen quote

No real point to this comment, other than it lined up so well with some of the discussions we've had.

Ha! The multiple line is a good one. 
In Neilsen's case - he may feel like he HAS to be multiple more than he'd like due to the lack of man coverage specialists currently on the roster. 

It is hard to know to what degree Nielsen is going to adapt his scheme to the talent on hand - or adapt the talent to his scheme (via acquisitions) 

My best guess is that - if Nielsen has a solid 2024 campaign and is back in 2025, that would be the offseason when we see secondary changes. But it wouldn't shock me if they added a corner to the mix during this offseason.

One beat writer has mocked a 1st round corner to the Jags who has experience at nickel and outside - suggesting he'd play nickel in 2024 and then shift outside when Darious Williams' contract expires.  (Terrion Arnold is the rookie cited) 

I like that approach well enough, but I have a gut feeling they won't spend a 1st rounder at CB this year. 
I think the staff they've assembled are going to be tasked with developing the zone oriented CBs in Jacksonville to play more man coverage. Two of Nielsen's early hires on the defensive side have impressive resumes as DB coaches for some quality secondaries. 
So - I think the 2024 approach will be "let's see what we can get out of this bunch with minimal additions on the back end - but let's see if we can help them with interior pressure up front"

I hope it works out... CJ Stroud loves non-aggressive defenses.  Tongue
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(01-26-2024, 12:04 PM)cland Wrote:
(01-25-2024, 01:10 PM)PV=nRT Wrote: Is your deflection confirmation from you that TLaw outperformed Stoud versus the Ravens despite being injured and not having Kirk?   Hey, I'm just participating in the ridiculous equivalencies that you guys keep pushing.   Looks like my point has been made.

If you want to hang your hat on TLaw's 23-7 Jaguars loss to the Ravens, then I guess I can't stop you.  All Hail the Generational, Awe-inspiring, QB that is named Trevor Lawrence!  Boo CJ Stroud, what a bust, take your rookie records/playoff win/and 100.8 passer rating and get out of the NFL!

Thank you setting me straight PV=nRT,  I shall now worship your football wisdom.

Gotta realize what losing for mostly the last 20 years will do a some of these people. They get a whiff of average NFL QB play and they can't keep their underwear clean. The reality - 2023 Trevor sucked, especially 1st half of the year in the redzone. He's got potential to be a fringe top 10 when everything is perfect around him. One small hiccup and people have to use quantum physics and deep analytics to cope TL isn't that great of a QB. I would hate to see the takes from people is Trevor was legitimately a top 3-5 QB as some here think. Everyone would be saying he's coming for Brady Big Grin

CJ Stroud is the truth. He is what we all wanted Trevor to be year 1. Anyone who says otherwise is full of [BLEEP] in here, even if I dislike the Texans I can recognize good QB play when I see it. Congrats Tinhorns, you have the class of the division when it comes to the QB position and it's not even close.
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(01-29-2024, 02:01 PM)cland Wrote: Great news for the Texans, it looks like Bobby Slowik is coming back next year, according to convincing rumors that the Commanders are going to hire Ben Johnson and Seahawks are going to hire Dan Quinn.  I think it's hugely important that a rookie QB has some stability at the OC level.  Jerrod Johnson, the QB coach, is still at risk (for the Texans) of getting an OC job, but that's much better than going into a brand new offensive system.

Update: Both Slowik and Jerrod Johnson are coming back to the Texans. They both signed new deals to up their salary and have confirmed their return, great news for Stroud.

Huge to not lose Slowik. However, this may be his last year as a Texan if he has another great season in 2024.
"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption
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(02-14-2024, 02:15 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote:
(01-29-2024, 02:01 PM)cland Wrote: Great news for the Texans, it looks like Bobby Slowik is coming back next year, according to convincing rumors that the Commanders are going to hire Ben Johnson and Seahawks are going to hire Dan Quinn.  I think it's hugely important that a rookie QB has some stability at the OC level.  Jerrod Johnson, the QB coach, is still at risk (for the Texans) of getting an OC job, but that's much better than going into a brand new offensive system.

Update: Both Slowik and Jerrod Johnson are coming back to the Texans.  They both signed new deals to up their salary and have confirmed their return, great news for Stroud.

Huge to not lose Slowik. However, this may be his last year as a Texan if he has another great season in 2024.

I agree.  Another of the good things about getting an "extra" year with Slowik is that it may give the Texans a chance to line up a future OC, whether that is Jerrod Johnson or another option.  I was hoping that Klint Kubiak wouldn't take the NOLA OC job for that exact reason. (Go nepotism!)

I wouldn't even mind trying to coax Gary Kubiak out of retirement to reunite, though I would be concerned with his health.
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Saquon Barkley now follows Texans on X. Damn
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(02-24-2024, 10:19 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Saquon Barkley now follows Texans on X.  Damn

If he can stay healthy, and our O-line manages to stay (for the most part) healthy, that would be a huge addition to the offense. Getting the running game into the top half of the league, would allow the Texans' to "put games away" in the 4th quarter, something that they struggled with last year.
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The tinhorns are what?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJwp2zwWDqc
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Texans lose Greenard, a up and coming pass rusher who is only 26 and had 12.5 sacks last year.
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(03-11-2024, 12:48 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Texans lose Greenard, a up and coming pass rusher who is only 26 and had 12.5 sacks last year.

Hurts to lose Greenard, but not at 19M per.  He's been injured too often, and plays the position as a situational pass rusher.  I'm actually more disappointed in losing LB Blake Cashman to the same team, I thought he was a standout coverage linebacker, but again has injury issues.
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(03-11-2024, 06:48 PM)cland Wrote:
(03-11-2024, 12:48 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Texans lose Greenard, a up and coming pass rusher who is only 26 and had 12.5 sacks last year.

Hurts to lose Greenard, but not at 19M per.  He's been injured too often, and plays the position as a situational pass rusher.  I'm actually more disappointed in losing LB Blake Cashman to the same team, I thought he was a standout coverage linebacker, but again has injury issues.
2 big losses to that defense.  Autry was a nice pick up but he is about to turn 34 and in the decline
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The Texans traded (a likely low round) pick for RB Joe Mixon. Should be a nice upgrade in running game.
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(03-12-2024, 11:48 AM)cland Wrote: The Texans traded (a likely low round) pick for RB Joe Mixon. Should be a nice upgrade in running game.

As long as your O line is good, yes. Guy isnt that good at creating his own yards.
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