Baalke should've been fired last season


The saddest part about this is that Urban Meyer might have put together the best draft we've had in over a decade

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At the very least, dude needs to start getting called out.

The most powerful posters on in this forum are complaining about the O-Line, and yet Baalke did nothing to address it this off-season and just decided to run back an O-Line that was suspect last year as well.  The 2022 Jaguars O-Line was bad and Lawrence was getting pressured constantly last year as well.  In the 2023 offseason we acquired a OT in the 1st, but did very little else.  And it's proven to be a disaster that most people could have predicted happening.

Next, the 2022 drafting of Muma in the 3rd after we already drafted Lloyd in the 1st looks like a wasted pick.  

Drafting Strange in the 2nd of this year even when we had an elite TE under contract was another terrible pick.  We could have used that 2nd pick to draft for needs.  Strange at TE was not a need, and wasn't even the BAP at the draft slot we picked him at.  Another terrible pick!

Tank Bigsby in the 3rd last year is clearly a bust.  Also a non-Need pick and clearly not a BAP at the draft position either.

The list continues on and on...

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Didn't have a problem with the Clown General until he drafted Strange and Bigsby. Those picks just made no sense too me. Sure, if they were top flight talents at their positions I could have gotten behind it, but they weren't and both are 3rd stringers and give nothing to the team, D'ernest Johnson is better than Tank and Luke Farrel has been more impressive than Strange.

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Didn't have a problem with the Clown General until he drafted Strange and Bigsby.  Those picks just made no sense too me. Sure, if they were top flight talents at their positions I could have gotten behind it, but they weren't and both are 3rd stringers and give nothing to the team, D'ernest Johnson is better than Tank and Luke Farrel has been more impressive than Strange.

This will go down as largely a wasted draft, even though Baalke had like 12 picks. Harrison is a starter, which is to be expected in the first round. Check. 

Strange and Bigsby were big reaches. 

Antonio Johnson and Parker Washington have potential. 

Don't know what else to say about the rest. They're looking like scrubs who will be out of the league in a couple years. 

Baalke had several 49ers drafts. None of them are very good. I couldn't believe he got promoted after Caldwell was fired. Khan went the cheap, convenient, and lazy route with this hire.

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"I am only an average man, but by George, I work harder at it than the average man." - Teddy Roosevelt

I've decided that I'm not going to let this team suck out my soul this year. If they win, which is doubtful, then good. Otherwise, I'm a little ambivalent right now.

However, the one thing which aggravates me is seeing our *STAR* quarterback 3 years into his tenure who is now nursing injuries to both legs and a concussion. It's beyond me how the immediate concern, or at any time along the process, wasn't to get the best O line money could buy, as well as draft. It's inexcusable, and their days of whistling past the graveyard have come home to roost. That alone is almost grounds for Baalke's dismissal. He's not entirely useless because he is good at snagging veteran players, so take the draft partly out of his hands. Hire a draftnik and give him some kind of title to fit into the organization to 'advise' on draft matters. I don't think Baalke is completely incompetent. He seems to accomplish the daily GM duties ok, he's just a drafter without vision.

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This year has pretty much affirmed that the only way you are successful in this league is by winning in the trenches. I don't want anymore "star" receivers. I don't want "high value" skill players. Moving forward, in the draft and free agency, money and high picks should only be spent on the D-Line/OLBs and the O-Line. If we switch to a 4-3, only on the D-Line and the O-Line, no linebackers. Until we have absolute studs across both lines, then the team will suffer. Trevor isn't an elite QB that can carry a bad team to the promised land like Brady. We've seen what a good offensive line can do for game managers (see Brock Purdy), and we've seen how a good defensive line just absolutely shuts down everyone/everything. We have our QB. Now 100% of the focus should be on both lines.

I don't believe Baalke will do this. He can't draft well. He can't bring in impactful free agents on the lines. He has to go.

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SMH Balkie will not get fired my friends. Jags give a long leash most of the time.

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LOL .. so now after a 3 game losing streak we have a fire Baalkie thread. Before there was a Baalkie apology thread or whatever. Talk about bipolar? "During the last 3 games the only team to beat the Jags were the Jags themselves". Not my comment. It was Chris Collingsworth last night. I agree with him, but typing those words was really, really painful. The guy is right. Now we have a 3 game playoff with our very best division friends...

We have to remember we played a 4th place schedule last year and went 9-8. We also had very few injuries. We lived a charmed existence.

This year we are playing a first place schedule and had a plentitude of injuries starting with that so called practice with the Lions where our whole O-line came back to Jax beat to hell. In the past We would be looking at 5 wins or less.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

We're not healthy at the moment and we're not good enough in the interior OL which is why we struggle currently. When fully healthy across the board or close to it, we've shown we can overcome the IOL struggles a bit. We should be healthy again come playoff time, we just need to hold on as best we can these last 3 weeks to make the playoffs. We'll be back to being a force to be reckoned with once we're healthy and hopefully we can address the IOL issues sufficiently in the offseason for next year's run. This season isn't over and no one is getting fired.

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At the very least, dude needs to start getting called out.

The most powerful posters on in this forum are complaining about the O-Line, and yet Baalke did nothing to address it this off-season and just decided to run back an O-Line that was suspect last year as well.  The 2022 Jaguars O-Line was bad and Lawrence was getting pressured constantly last year as well.  In the 2023 offseason we acquired a OT in the 1st, but did very little else.  And it's proven to be a disaster that most people could have predicted happening.

Next, the 2022 drafting of Muma in the 3rd after we already drafted Lloyd in the 1st looks like a wasted pick.  

Drafting Strange in the 2nd of this year even when we had an elite TE under contract was another terrible pick.  We could have used that 2nd pick to draft for needs.  Strange at TE was not a need, and wasn't even the BAP at the draft slot we picked him at.  Another terrible pick!

Tank Bigsby in the 3rd last year is clearly a bust.  Also a non-Need pick and clearly not a BAP at the draft position either.

The list continues on and on...

Keep digging dude, I'm sure that rep will get better if you keep missing this badly. We've already discussed this ad nauseam, but the fact that you're still clinging to this trope tells everyone everything they need to know about your reliability. YOU EVEN CONTRADICT YOURSELF TWO SENTENCES LATER. 

Ope.

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I've decided that I'm not going to let this team suck out my soul this year. If they win, which is doubtful, then good. Otherwise, I'm a little ambivalent right now.

However, the one thing which aggravates me is seeing our *STAR* quarterback 3 years into his tenure who is now nursing injuries to both legs and a concussion. It's beyond me how the immediate concern, or at any time along the process, wasn't to get the best O line money could buy, as well as draft. It's inexcusable, and their days of whistling past the graveyard have come home to roost. That alone is almost grounds for Baalke's dismissal. He's not entirely useless because he is good at snagging veteran players, so take the draft partly out of his hands. Hire a draftnik and give him some kind of title to fit into the organization to 'advise' on draft matters. I don't think Baalke is completely incompetent. He seems to accomplish the daily GM duties ok, he's just a drafter without vision.

I sincerely think the mindset was that, like CFB, if you overwhelm a D with options, someone will always be open and you can spread the ball around and march down the field, pass rush be danged. First problem, we are not facing Northwest Carolina's D each Sunday and second, the options aren't overwhelming the D before the rush starts interfering. It was a gamble to stick with some of the personnel inside to see if development would occur, and I think the risk bit us.

You're in a good place. Celebrate the wins, don't let the losses define you.

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Knowing Khan's tendencies? Don't get your hopes up. He'll give Baalke the same treatment, and honestly, respect, more deserving I'll add, than he did Dave Caldwell. I think he'll do the exact same thing very soon that he did with Caldwell right when the season is over.

He'll look for another Coughlin type to fit a VP role that adds a needed layer of oversight, better decision making (hopefully) and final say in the overall process of how this team carries out it's personnel, it's scouting, it's war room, it's overall draft board, etc.

Baalke has earned the right to keep a job here at this capacity. He just doesn't have "it" when it comes to the draft. Especially on the backend. Where he's failed the most is in fixing the trenches. We need impact faster out of these players in these drafts. I appreciate his efforts through free agency, and some of the trades he's made, along with the contracts he's worked out and the talent he's added to the team.

While it's not perfect? They're still winning enough games to be in the thick of things. Where they fell short? They didn't do enough to be better prepared against a much, much more difficult 2023 schedule Vs. 2022 schedule. Nobody thought the tinhorns and clots would be this competitive in 2023. They probably expected an easy divisional run like the NFC South this year.

They were wrong in that evaluating. They were also foolish for not looking at this schedule and realizing, even with injuries as a possibility, that, they would be seeing Mahomes, the 49ers defense and a team that was a Purdy less QB away from a Superbowl, the Bengals with Burrow, the Ravens with Jackson, and a few other tough opponents that are stacked defensively like Cleveland and Pittsburgh.

Resting their laurels on being 9 - 8 last year, and HOPING they were going to keep that going, which, in fairness, they did, against "meh" opponents in "meh" situations, that's what cost them here. Making luxury picks in RD2 and RD3 the previous two years were a bad decision. Especially at positions with talent already there.

It is what it is. Still three weeks to get into the play-off's. But, even if they fall short? I highly doubt Baalke gets canned and I expect some kind of VP hire. Rick Spielman, Rick Smith, maybe somebody from the Los Angeles Chargers implosion, or a poaching effort from the 49ers or Eagles would be a good start.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I haven't changed off my position from the day he was promoted after Caldwell was let go. He's basically a very good Pro Personnel guy, he's not skilled at identifying college talent, and he gets enamoured with skill players to the detriment of the Trench.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I haven't changed off my position from the day he was promoted after Caldwell was let go. He's basically a very good Pro Personnel guy, he's not skilled at identifying college talent, and he gets enamoured with skill players to teh detrminent of the Trench.

All the skill players drafted were to replace all the ones that will be leaving. The issue is he tried to focus too far in the future when the team already had other holes that he needed to fill.

Hopefully someone else takes over the roster building and tells him what type of pro player to go find. I don't see him getting fired.

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Didn't have a problem with the Clown General until he drafted Strange and Bigsby.  Those picks just made no sense too me. Sure, if they were top flight talents at their positions I could have gotten behind it, but they weren't and both are 3rd stringers and give nothing to the team, D'ernest Johnson is better than Tank and Luke Farrel has been more impressive than Strange.

This will go down as largely a wasted draft, even though Baalke had like 12 picks. Harrison is a starter, which is to be expected in the first round. Check. 

Strange and Bigsby were big reaches. 

Antonio Johnson and Parker Washington have potential. 

Don't know what else to say about the rest. They're looking like scrubs who will be out of the league in a couple years. 

Baalke had several 49ers drafts. None of them are very good. I couldn't believe he got promoted after Caldwell was fired. Khan went the cheap, convenient, and lazy route with this hire.

Those two picks just confuse me so much, like.. ETN is only technically playing his 2nd season, Evan Engram is resigned... like, they were always gonna be backups.. and we had holes on the line and NB.. just don't get it

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He should be fired for the Tank Bigsby pick alone.

Kobie Turner (drafted right after him) has 5.5 sacks as a rookie DT.

And good thing they took another linebacker in Ventrell Miller! Can't have too many of those!

2 of the most replaceable positions in running back and linebacker were taken in the first 4 rounds. On a team that was clearly devoid of depth/talent at Dline and Oline.

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This will go down as largely a wasted draft, even though Baalke had like 12 picks. Harrison is a starter, which is to be expected in the first round. Check. 

Strange and Bigsby were big reaches. 

Antonio Johnson and Parker Washington have potential. 

Don't know what else to say about the rest. They're looking like scrubs who will be out of the league in a couple years. 

Baalke had several 49ers drafts. None of them are very good. I couldn't believe he got promoted after Caldwell was fired. Khan went the cheap, convenient, and lazy route with this hire.

Those two picks just confuse me so much, like.. ETN is only technically playing his 2nd season, Evan Engram is resigned... like, they were always gonna be backups.. and we had holes on the line and NB.. just don't get it

Doug's offense works pretty well with 2 tight ends, so it's not all that surprising that we took one. Also remember at the draft Engram was tagged and we had no assurances that he'd be here more than the one more season. Had they not worked out a longer deal after the draft we could be seeing Strange as the #1 TE next season, so I think there was some looking ahead to be sure we had a capable starter in 2024 if needed.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The jags won’t do bad enough to get him fired.

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He should be fired for the Tank Bigsby pick alone.

Kobie Turner (drafted right after him) has 5.5 sacks as a rookie DT.

And good thing they took another linebacker in Ventrell Miller! Can't have too many of those!

2 of the most replaceable positions in running back and linebacker were taken in the first 4 rounds. On a team that was clearly devoid of depth/talent at Dline and Oline.

Wasn't it RB coach Parmalee who said Tank jumped off the screen during film study leading up to the draft?  If he had significant input on this pick, he shouldn't be relied on for such things any longer.

That said, it's still relatively early in Tank's career to pass judgement confidently, so I'm willing to give him into early next year.  However, in my brief study of him right after his selection, his measurables and highlights led me to believe he was a similar back to ETN, but just not quite as good all the way around.  You don't have to be some prototype runner in the 3rd round, but I'd like to see at least one potentially elite trait whether it be speed, or hands or tackle breaking or just give me something.  I think RB was and still is a need behind ETN, but I'm not confident at the moment Tank is anything more than a #3 or #4 depth piece at best and you should aim higher than that in the 3rd round.  Hopefully he can assert himself with what's remaining of this year or show out early next year and become that really good #2 guy that we want/need him to be.

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Let’s see it all play out first.I’m not there yet. Sometimes you guys seem to forget how craptastic this team has been over most of the past 2 decades

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