A team with a bad OL and a QB who is "hardly a factor" is going to rocket to 9th in the league in passing yards because they finished tied for tenth in takeaways?   Now that's funny.   Can you provide us with a statistical correlation to prove this?

Sure, he's 9th in passing yards now tell me what he ranks in YPA.

Moving the goal posts I see.  I was incorrect, Jville was 8th in passing, not 9th?  How does a team do that with a QB who is "hardly a factor" playing behind a terrible OL? As for "takeaway" narrative, here is how the top 10 teams in takeaways rank in passing yardage.

1.  NYG.   31st
1.  BAL.    21ST
3.  Buff.    10th
4.  NO.      13th
5.  CHI.      27th
6.   CLE.     19th
7.  Sf.           6th
8.   Jac.        8th
9.    Mia.       2nd
10.  NYJ.     30th

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Sure, he's 9th in passing yards now tell me what he ranks in YPA.

Moving the goal posts I see.  I was incorrect, Jville was 8th in passing, not 9th?  How does a team do that with a QB who is "hardly a factor" playing behind a terrible OL?  As for "takeaway" narrative, here is how the top 10 teams in takeaways rank in passing yardage.

1.  NYG.   31st
1.  BAL.    21ST
3.  Buff.    10th
4.  NO.      13th
5.  CHI.      27th
6.   CLE.     19th
7.  Sf.           6th
8.   Jac.        8th
9.    Mia.       2nd
10.  NYJ.     30th

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So you're telling me that taking the ball away and giving your offense extra drives is not going to help the team score?

These stats you provided just prove my point with Tua/Purdy/Allen etc. The outlier teams are the ones who either have a QB with 100+ rushing attempts  fields/lamarr or a team with no true starter jets/cle/NYG


Try again.

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Moving the goal posts I see.  I was incorrect, Jville was 8th in passing, not 9th?  How does a team do that with a QB who is "hardly a factor" playing behind a terrible OL?  As for "takeaway" narrative, here is how the top 10 teams in takeaways rank in passing yardage.

1.  NYG.   31st
1.  BAL.    21ST
3.  Buff.    10th
4.  NO.      13th
5.  CHI.      27th
6.   CLE.     19th
7.  Sf.           6th
8.   Jac.        8th
9.    Mia.       2nd
10.  NYJ.     30th

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So you're telling me that taking the ball away and giving your offense extra drives is not going to help the team score?

These stats you provided just prove my point with Tua/Purdy/Allen etc. The outlier teams are the ones who either have a QB with 100+ rushing attempts  fields/lamarr or a team with no true starter jets/cle/NYG


Try again.

I'm saying that there is no statistical correlation between a takeaways and a teams ranking in passing offense.   That is determined by a combination of OL, QB, WR, coaching and SOS of defenses faced.   How does a team rank top 10 in passing if their OL is terrible, if the QB is "hardly a factor", if the OC needs to be replaced, if the defenses faced were above average, and if the WR corps that played were mediocre at best?   

Seems that QB carried a lot of the teams weight on his shoulders.

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So you're telling me that taking the ball away and giving your offense extra drives is not going to help the team score?

These stats you provided just prove my point with Tua/Purdy/Allen etc. The outlier teams are the ones who either have a QB with 100+ rushing attempts  fields/lamarr or a team with no true starter jets/cle/NYG


Try again.

I'm saying that there is no statistical correlation between a takeaways and a teams ranking in passing offense.   That is determined by a combination of OL, QB, WR, coaching and SOS of defenses faced.   How does a team rank top 10 in passing if their OL is terrible, if the QB is "hardly a factor", if the OC needs to be replaced, if the defenses faced were above average, and if the WR corps that played were mediocre at best?   

Seems that QB carried a lot of the teams weight on his shoulders.

Because you're basing it on yards, not YPA. 

It's fairly obvious someone with more attempts is going to have more yards. Nobody is saying he can't complete a football pass. What you're saying would be like me saying "trevor lawrence had 4,000 yards in 17 games and so and so had 3,999 yards in 15 games so Trevors better.

He had more oppurtunities because we LEAD THE LEAGUE in turnovers in week 12, and his stats fell off a cliff when the defense stopped giving us extra oppurtunities which leads back to the point of the thread, which was HIS INJURIES DID NOT CHANGE OUR ABILITY TO WIN THE DEFENSE DID.

Our PPG
YPG
and Wins/losses

ALL got worse after week 12, in week 12 we had 25 takeaways, we ended the season with 27.

Direct correlation bruh.

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I'm saying that there is no statistical correlation between a takeaways and a teams ranking in passing offense.   That is determined by a combination of OL, QB, WR, coaching and SOS of defenses faced.   How does a team rank top 10 in passing if their OL is terrible, if the QB is "hardly a factor", if the OC needs to be replaced, if the defenses faced were above average, and if the WR corps that played were mediocre at best?   

Seems that QB carried a lot of the teams weight on his shoulders.

Because you're basing it on yards, not YPA. 

It's fairly obvious someone with more attempts is going to have more yards. Nobody is saying he can't complete a football pass. What you're saying would be like me saying "trevor lawrence had 4,000 yards in 17 games and so and so had 3,999 yards in 15 games so Trevors better.

He had more oppurtunities because we LEAD THE LEAGUE in turnovers in week 12, and his stats fell off a cliff when the defense stopped giving us extra oppurtunities which leads back to the point of the thread, which was HIS INJURIES DID NOT CHANGE OUR ABILITY TO WIN THE DEFENSE DID.

Our PPG
YPG
and Wins/losses

ALL got worse after week 12, in week 12 we had 25 takeaways, we ended the season with 27.

Direct correlation bruh.

Game 12: Trevor Lawrence, high ankle sprain. Directerer correlation broseph.

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Crazy how many of them were from Ridley lol.

This and another video posted the other day has had me do a partial about face on Ridley.  I really am now indifferent to if he stays or goes.  Just don’t let him staying be the reason we dont get both interior lines fixed.

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Because you're basing it on yards, not YPA. 

It's fairly obvious someone with more attempts is going to have more yards. Nobody is saying he can't complete a football pass. What you're saying would be like me saying "trevor lawrence had 4,000 yards in 17 games and so and so had 3,999 yards in 15 games so Trevors better.

He had more oppurtunities because we LEAD THE LEAGUE in turnovers in week 12, and his stats fell off a cliff when the defense stopped giving us extra oppurtunities which leads back to the point of the thread, which was HIS INJURIES DID NOT CHANGE OUR ABILITY TO WIN THE DEFENSE DID.

Our PPG
YPG
and Wins/losses

ALL got worse after week 12, in week 12 we had 25 takeaways, we ended the season with 27.

Direct correlation bruh.

Game 12: Trevor Lawrence, high ankle sprain. Directerer correlation broseph.

Literally had his only 3 touchdown game immediately after that, the difference in his stats from before/after week 12 versus the difference in 25/2 turnovers is quite a margin.

If you think the QB had the biggest role to play in our teams fortunes you're a blind donkey.

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I'm saying that there is no statistical correlation between a takeaways and a teams ranking in passing offense.   That is determined by a combination of OL, QB, WR, coaching and SOS of defenses faced.   How does a team rank top 10 in passing if their OL is terrible, if the QB is "hardly a factor", if the OC needs to be replaced, if the defenses faced were above average, and if the WR corps that played were mediocre at best?   

Seems that QB carried a lot of the teams weight on his shoulders.

Because you're basing it on yards, not YPA. 

It's fairly obvious someone with more attempts is going to have more yards. Nobody is saying he can't complete a football pass. What you're saying would be like me saying "trevor lawrence had 4,000 yards in 17 games and so and so had 3,999 yards in 15 games so Trevors better.

He had more oppurtunities because we LEAD THE LEAGUE in turnovers in week 12, and his stats fell off a cliff when the defense stopped giving us extra oppurtunities which leads back to the point of the thread, which was HIS INJURIES DID NOT CHANGE OUR ABILITY TO WIN THE DEFENSE DID.

Our PPG
YPG
and Wins/losses

ALL got worse after week 12, in week 12 we had 25 takeaways, we ended the season with 27.

Direct correlation bruh.

TLaw. 7.1 YPA
PMah. 7.0 YPA


So you are saying TLaw is better than Mahomes .   Yabut, yabut, yabut.  ? 

You keep trying to move the goal posts because you struck out on your original narrative.   A QB who is "hardly a factor" is not going to rank top 10 in passing yards (8th in attempts)  playing behind a terrible OL with a bad OC against better than average PASS defenses with average receivers.  ?

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Game 12: Trevor Lawrence, high ankle sprain. Directerer correlation broseph.

Literally had his only 3 touchdown game immediately after that, the difference in his stats from before/after week 12 versus the difference in 25/2 turnovers is quite a margin.

If you think the QB had the biggest role to play in our teams fortunes you're a blind donkey.

Lies, damn lies, statistics, your bad takes.

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Because you're basing it on yards, not YPA. 

It's fairly obvious someone with more attempts is going to have more yards. Nobody is saying he can't complete a football pass. What you're saying would be like me saying "trevor lawrence had 4,000 yards in 17 games and so and so had 3,999 yards in 15 games so Trevors better.

He had more oppurtunities because we LEAD THE LEAGUE in turnovers in week 12, and his stats fell off a cliff when the defense stopped giving us extra oppurtunities which leads back to the point of the thread, which was HIS INJURIES DID NOT CHANGE OUR ABILITY TO WIN THE DEFENSE DID.

Our PPG
YPG
and Wins/losses

ALL got worse after week 12, in week 12 we had 25 takeaways, we ended the season with 27.

Direct correlation bruh.

TLaw. 7.1 YPA
PMah. 7.0 YPA


So you are saying TLaw is better than Mahomes .   Yabut, yabut, yabut.  ? 

You keep trying to move the goal posts because you struck out on your original narrative.   A QB who is "hardly a factor" is not going to rank top 10 in passing yards (8th in attempts)  playing behind a terrible OL with a bad OC against better than average PASS defenses with average receivers.  ?

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

This is what I've collected from this entire conversation.

The mod and the other doofus think that Trevor Lawrence was the reason we were 8-3, but the defense was to blame for the collapse later.

When the reality is, Trevor was mid/below average all season, and the D is what won us many of those first 8 wins.

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Trevor is about a 9-8 QB right now. Back to back seasons 9-8 is what it is. If defense plays great - we have a good chance of winning.

If our offense is playing great - we have a punchers chance against teams.

But it’s way too inconsistent which is what gives us the 9-8 record.

Trevor was about a top 10 qb going into this year IMO and has dropped to about middle of the pack. Pretty consistent with his ESPN QBR.

The good news is that a 24 year old QB isn’t a finished product.

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Crazy how many of them were from Ridley lol.

This and another video posted the other day has had me do a partial about face on Ridley.  I really am now indifferent to if he stays or goes.  Just don’t let him staying be the reason we dont get both interior lines fixed.

There used to be a guy round here that would say "Dime a dozen" and "It starts upfront"

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Trevor is about a 9-8 QB right now. Back to back seasons 9-8 is what it is. If defense plays great - we have a good chance of winning.

If our offense is playing great - we have a punchers chance against teams.

But it’s way too inconsistent which is what gives us the 9-8 record.

Trevor was about a top 10 qb going into this year IMO and has dropped to about middle of the pack.  Pretty consistent with his ESPN QBR.

The good news is that a 24 year old QB isn’t a finished product.

This was a 5-12 team at best if our defense didn't have an absurd amount of takeaways early on.

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Trevor is about a 9-8 QB right now. Back to back seasons 9-8 is what it is. If defense plays great - we have a good chance of winning.

If our offense is playing great - we have a punchers chance against teams.

But it’s way too inconsistent which is what gives us the 9-8 record.

Trevor was about a top 10 qb going into this year IMO and has dropped to about middle of the pack.  Pretty consistent with his ESPN QBR.

The good news is that a 24 year old QB isn’t a finished product.

This was a 5-12 team at best if our defense didn't have an absurd amount of takeaways early on.

We had back to back first overall picks.

Trevor has made this offense average at least.  

If you think this team without Trevor the last two years wins 18 games, you’re delusional.

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This was a 5-12 team at best if our defense didn't have an absurd amount of takeaways early on.

We had back to back first overall picks.

Trevor has made this offense average at least.  

If you think this team without Trevor the last two years wins 18 games, you’re delusional.

I certainly think he does more for us in general than the last few QBs we've had, and I don't doubt his toughness. I just think its ridiculous that some fans think he's the sole reason we went 8-3, like we had 25 turnovers in the first 11 games.. we had 27 overall throughout the season. When the turnovers stopped, so did the winning.

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We had back to back first overall picks.

Trevor has made this offense average at least.  

If you think this team without Trevor the last two years wins 18 games, you’re delusional.

I certainly think he does more for us in general than the last few QBs we've had, and I don't doubt his toughness. I just think its ridiculous that some fans think he's the sole reason we went 8-3, like we had 25 turnovers in the first 11 games.. we had 27 overall throughout the season. When the turnovers stopped, so did the winning.

No one thinks that you dip [BLEEP], you're just beating a strawman to assuage your backtracking to your piss poor takes from 18 months ago.

CJB is a smart poster.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

We had back to back first overall picks.

Trevor has made this offense average at least.  

If you think this team without Trevor the last two years wins 18 games, you’re delusional.

I certainly think he does more for us in general than the last few QBs we've had, and I don't doubt his toughness. I just think its ridiculous that some fans think he's the sole reason we went 8-3, like we had 25 turnovers in the first 11 games.. we had 27 overall throughout the season. When the turnovers stopped, so did the winning.

Find someone who said he was the sole reason. That would be great.

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I certainly think he does more for us in general than the last few QBs we've had, and I don't doubt his toughness. I just think its ridiculous that some fans think he's the sole reason we went 8-3, like we had 25 turnovers in the first 11 games.. we had 27 overall throughout the season. When the turnovers stopped, so did the winning.

Find someone who said he was the sole reason. That would be great.

Dude, if you don't let him move the goalposts, hyperbolize, and put words in our mouths, this whole thing doesn't work. 

Shhh, he's cooking.

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No the issue at hand is CJB has a need to persuade other board members into a negative outlook on Lawrence. No one is going out of their way to persuade the opposite. I believe based on my eyes and based on the injuries and based on the team roster issues, that Trevor is better than an out of context look at the season stats suggests. I think the majority (here at least) agree. I think a minority disagrees. All of that is just fine. We're allowed to come to different conclusions. I just don't see the opposite happening where people are starting threads or chiming in on unrelated threads about how great Trevor is. But CJB apparently sees straw men dancing in his dreams and comes here first thing when he wakes up to slay them.

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We had back to back first overall picks.

Trevor has made this offense average at least.  

If you think this team without Trevor the last two years wins 18 games, you’re delusional.

I certainly think he does more for us in general than the last few QBs we've had, and I don't doubt his toughness. I just think its ridiculous that some fans think he's the sole reason we went 8-3, like we had 25 turnovers in the first 11 games.. we had 27 overall throughout the season. When the turnovers stopped, so did the winning.

But you said they have to at least bring in competition for him next year, and being better than Minshew, Foles, and Bortles isn't that great. So what is the upgrade the Jags should make to fix the position?

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