People seem to keep forgetting the SotH has control of what happens at the Capitol. Yes, Trump could have and should have addressed his supporters. We don't know if he wanted to but was told to stand down for whatever reason, or he decided to sit back with popcorn and soda and watch the show.

Ultimately it was Nancy Pelosi's job to get control of the situation and she didn't even seem to bother trying. Pelosi and the Democrats gained a lot by allowing things to unfold and not interfere. Trump and the Republicans gained nothing by letting this happen.

Only one of us on this message board, Eric85, was even there when this happened and he is definitely not a Trump supporter nor a Republican. He's said what he witnessed and the moderates and liberals don't believe him but they'll believe what MSM says happened even though we all know they are biased.

I think both sides are to blame and for anyone to think any differently is burying their partisan heads in the sand.

Yeah - we do know

There is testimony on record from multiple Trump aides and cabinet members that were there following his speech. 

He threw a hissy fit because the secret service wouldn't let him march on the capitol. Even lunging at one of the agents. 
When they got him back to the the WH he threw a container of ketchup at the wall and continued his little tantrum for some time before settling in to watch Fox News for hours while his aides urged him to go downstairs to the briefing area arranged for him and address the insurrectionists. He refused long enough to let people die.

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People seem to keep forgetting the SotH has control of what happens at the Capitol. Yes, Trump could have and should have addressed his supporters. We don't know if he wanted to but was told to stand down for whatever reason, or he decided to sit back with popcorn and soda and watch the show.

Ultimately it was Nancy Pelosi's job to get control of the situation and she didn't even seem to bother trying. Pelosi and the Democrats gained a lot by allowing things to unfold and not interfere. Trump and the Republicans gained nothing by letting this happen.

Only one of us on this message board, Eric85, was even there when this happened and he is definitely not a Trump supporter nor a Republican. He's said what he witnessed and the moderates and liberals don't believe him but they'll believe what MSM says happened even though we all know they are biased.

I think both sides are to blame and for anyone to think any differently is burying their partisan heads in the sand.

The Speaker of the House is in charge of the Capitol police.
Then there is the DC metro police who answer to the mayor of DC.
Then there is the DC national guard that answers to the Secretary of Defense.
Each of them had overlapping responsibility to prevent people from forming a mob and entering the building.  
The Capitol police were the first line of security but not the only one.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

People seem to keep forgetting the SotH has control of what happens at the Capitol. Yes, Trump could have and should have addressed his supporters. We don't know if he wanted to but was told to stand down for whatever reason, or he decided to sit back with popcorn and soda and watch the show.

Ultimately it was Nancy Pelosi's job to get control of the situation and she didn't even seem to bother trying. Pelosi and the Democrats gained a lot by allowing things to unfold and not interfere. Trump and the Republicans gained nothing by letting this happen.

Only one of us on this message board, Eric85, was even there when this happened and he is definitely not a Trump supporter nor a Republican. He's said what he witnessed and the moderates and liberals don't believe him but they'll believe what MSM says happened even though we all know they are biased.

I think both sides are to blame and for anyone to think any differently is burying their partisan heads in the sand.

Yeah - we do know

There is testimony on record from multiple Trump aides and cabinet members that were there following his speech. 

He threw a hissy fit because the secret service wouldn't let him march on the capitol. Even lunging at one of the agents. 
When they got him back to the the WH he threw a container of ketchup at the wall and continued his little tantrum for some time before settling in to watch Fox News for hours while his aides urged him to go downstairs to the briefing area arranged for him and address the insurrectionists. He refused long enough to let people die.

Fair enough. I certainly didn't follow every single bit of information about the whole thing here or in the media. 

Pelosi still failed to do her job as the person in charge of the Capitol and its police force. 

Those people's deaths are just as much on her as they are on him. To think otherwise is inexplicable. 

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People seem to keep forgetting the SotH has control of what happens at the Capitol. Yes, Trump could have and should have addressed his supporters. We don't know if he wanted to but was told to stand down for whatever reason, or he decided to sit back with popcorn and soda and watch the show.

Ultimately it was Nancy Pelosi's job to get control of the situation and she didn't even seem to bother trying. Pelosi and the Democrats gained a lot by allowing things to unfold and not interfere. Trump and the Republicans gained nothing by letting this happen.

Only one of us on this message board, Eric85, was even there when this happened and he is definitely not a Trump supporter nor a Republican. He's said what he witnessed and the moderates and liberals don't believe him but they'll believe what MSM says happened even though we all know they are biased.

I think both sides are to blame and for anyone to think any differently is burying their partisan heads in the sand.

The Speaker of the House is in charge of the Capitol police.
Then there is the DC metro police who answer to the mayor of DC.
Then there is the DC national guard that answers to the Secretary of Defense.
Each of them had overlapping responsibility to prevent people from forming a mob and entering the building.  
The Capitol police were the first line of security but not the only one.

Exactly. Pelosi failed at her job by not getting the Capitol police more involved and by not coordinating with other law enforcement to neutralize the situation. 

She failed the people of this country just as much as Trump did.

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The Speaker of the House is in charge of the Capitol police.
Then there is the DC metro police who answer to the mayor of DC.
Then there is the DC national guard that answers to the Secretary of Defense.
Each of them had overlapping responsibility to prevent people from forming a mob and entering the building.  
The Capitol police were the first line of security but not the only one.

Exactly. Pelosi failed at her job by not getting the Capitol police more involved and by not coordinating with other law enforcement to neutralize the situation. 

She failed the people of this country just as much as Trump did.

Pelosi and her team had a plan to get all members to the tunnels in case of a breach.  That part worked, at least.  But yes, they only had 1/10th of their sworn and deputized headcount deployed at that time and she certainly could have had more than that.

That said, it's victim blaming, to blame her.  She didn't bring in the bad guys.  Trump did.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Yeah - we do know

There is testimony on record from multiple Trump aides and cabinet members that were there following his speech. 

He threw a hissy fit because the secret service wouldn't let him march on the capitol. Even lunging at one of the agents. 
When they got him back to the the WH he threw a container of ketchup at the wall and continued his little tantrum for some time before settling in to watch Fox News for hours while his aides urged him to go downstairs to the briefing area arranged for him and address the insurrectionists. He refused long enough to let people die.

Fair enough. I certainly didn't follow every single bit of information about the whole thing here or in the media. 

Pelosi still failed to do her job as the person in charge of the Capitol and its police force. 

Those people's deaths are just as much on her as they are on him. To think otherwise is inexplicable. 

She should never have had to plan for an insurrection mob incited by a child who couldn't accept an election loss, but yes, she should have been more proactive.

And the testimonies I referenced were part of the Jan 6 hearings. It was a huge investigation with tons of public discourse.

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The Speaker of the House is in charge of the Capitol police.
Then there is the DC metro police who answer to the mayor of DC.
Then there is the DC national guard that answers to the Secretary of Defense.
Each of them had overlapping responsibility to prevent people from forming a mob and entering the building.  
The Capitol police were the first line of security but not the only one.

Exactly. Pelosi failed at her job by not getting the Capitol police more involved and by not coordinating with other law enforcement to neutralize the situation. 

She failed the people of this country just as much as Trump did.

Here's a hypothetical for you.  Person A leaves home and forgets to lock the front door.  Person B comes along and breaks into the house through the unlocked door.  In this case, which person is the criminal and which is the victim?

There were barricades around the Capitol, manning by police.  How would Nancy Pelosi have known what happened was going to happen?  And if you say there were intelligence reports that this was going to happen, then that makes Trump a criminal, because he would have known it, too, and he's the one who set all these events in motion.

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Exactly. Pelosi failed at her job by not getting the Capitol police more involved and by not coordinating with other law enforcement to neutralize the situation. 

She failed the people of this country just as much as Trump did.

Here's a hypothetical for you.  Person A leaves home and forgets to lock the front door.  Person B comes along and breaks into the house through the unlocked door.  In this case, which person is the criminal and which is the victim?

There were barricades around the Capitol, manning by police.  How would Nancy Pelosi have known what happened was going to happen?  And if you say there were intelligence reports that this was going to happen, then that makes Trump a criminal, because he would have known it, too, and he's the one who set all these events in motion.

All of this is bias based on belief.

If you hate Trump, it was an insurrection.

If you don't care about Trump, it was a protest that was allowed to go too far.

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Exactly. Pelosi failed at her job by not getting the Capitol police more involved and by not coordinating with other law enforcement to neutralize the situation. 

She failed the people of this country just as much as Trump did.

Here's a hypothetical for you.  Person A leaves home and forgets to lock the front door.  Person B comes along and breaks into the house through the unlocked door.  In this case, which person is the criminal and which is the victim?

There were barricades around the Capitol, manning by police.  How would Nancy Pelosi have known what happened was going to happen?  And if you say there were intelligence reports that this was going to happen, then that makes Trump a criminal, because he would have known it, too, and he's the one who set all these events in motion.

Trump's alleged pre-incident knowledge is pure speculation.  You desperately want it to be true, but where is the proof?  

What are "all these events"?  Some of the crowd breached the barriers, fought with police and entered the Capitol by force.  Subsequently, many others walked in past police who made no attempt to impede their entry.  The followers, for the most part, simply stood around taking pictures.

If you appear at a BLM protest, deliver a speech with fiery rhetoric, then leave, after which some of the crowd riots, does that make you a criminal, and thereby culpable for their actions?

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

Here's a hypothetical for you.  Person A leaves home and forgets to lock the front door.  Person B comes along and breaks into the house through the unlocked door.  In this case, which person is the criminal and which is the victim?

There were barricades around the Capitol, manning by police.  How would Nancy Pelosi have known what happened was going to happen?  And if you say there were intelligence reports that this was going to happen, then that makes Trump a criminal, because he would have known it, too, and he's the one who set all these events in motion.

Trump's alleged pre-incident knowledge is pure speculation.  You desperately want it to be true, but where is the proof?  

What are "all these events"?  Some of the crowd breached the barriers, fought with police and entered the Capitol by force.  Subsequently, many others walked in past police who made no attempt to impede their entry.  The followers, for the most part, simply stood around taking pictures.

If you appear at a BLM protest, deliver a speech with fiery rhetoric, then leave, after which some of the crowd riots, does that make you a criminal, and thereby culpable for their actions?

It might.  Inciting a riot is a felony.  

Trump's pre-incident knowledge is indeed speculation.  But the same applies to Nancy Pelosi.  When people say Pelosi should have done more to protect the Capitol, they are implying that she should have known something bad was likely to happen.  Why not apply the same standard to Trump?  I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy in blaming Pelosi and letting Trump off the hook.  

Trump told the crowd to march on the Capitol, after telling them (falsely) that Mike Pence could stop the certification of the election.  So he set these events in motion, and now hundreds of people have been convicted of criminal offenses, many of them violent crimes, as a result.  I can't tell you Trump knew what was going to happen.  But I do know he set the whole thing in motion and then sat in the White House and watched it on TV and did nothing for hours, in spite of his aides and his daughter pleading with him to do something.

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Trump's alleged pre-incident knowledge is pure speculation.  You desperately want it to be true, but where is the proof?  

What are "all these events"?  Some of the crowd breached the barriers, fought with police and entered the Capitol by force.  Subsequently, many others walked in past police who made no attempt to impede their entry.  The followers, for the most part, simply stood around taking pictures.

If you appear at a BLM protest, deliver a speech with fiery rhetoric, then leave, after which some of the crowd riots, does that make you a criminal, and thereby culpable for their actions?

It might.  Inciting a riot is a felony.  

Trump's pre-incident knowledge is indeed speculation.  But the same applies to Nancy Pelosi.  When people say Pelosi should have done more to protect the Capitol, they are implying that she should have known something bad was likely to happen.  Why not apply the same standard to Trump?  I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy in blaming Pelosi and letting Trump off the hook.  

Trump told the crowd to march on the Capitol, after telling them (falsely) that Mike Pence could stop the certification of the election.  So he set these events in motion, and now hundreds of people have been convicted of criminal offenses, many of them violent crimes, as a result.  I can't tell you Trump knew what was going to happen.  But I do know he set the whole thing in motion and then sat in the White House and watched it on TV and did nothing for hours, in spite of his aides and his daughter pleading with him to do something.

Rhetoric that does not very specifically urge others to break the law is protected speech.  

Pelosi should be held to the highest standard of all because Capitol security was her responsibility, not Trump's and there is no hypocrisy in holding her accountable.  That being said, Trump should have made a far greater and more timely effort to help quell the crowd after the breech.  

Telling a crowd to march is not a crime and neither is an incorrect interpretation of the VP's constitutional authority.  Again, sitting around the White House doing nothing is poor leadership, but still not a criminal offense.

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

Did anyone see the Biden brewery speech in Wisconsin? Omg. Not sure there’s a video of it on here, but if you’re a Biden supporter, how do you defend him? He was making up a whole new language. The guy is in serious cognitive decline. He can’t even talk anymore.

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...but Trump's the crazy one. It's actually hilarious. Sad, but hilarious.

https://twitter.com/saras76/status/1750604669573837193

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...but Trump's the crazy one. It's actually hilarious. Sad, but hilarious.

https://twitter.com/saras76/status/1750604669573837193

Oooooh Earth Rider.

Now laugh sheep laugh. Hey NYC if Trump was this incoherent you'd call him out... yet nothing for the biggest racist ever.

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Truth is Biden and Trump have only a few brain cells to share between them.

This country is so F’d that we can’t have two competent, vibrant, level headed people running for office.

It’s like if the NFL allowed Terry Bradshaw and Joe Namath suit up on Sunday’s to give the people a show. We’d all watch it, but we’d watch it for the wrong reasons

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Truth is Biden and Trump have only a few brain cells to share between them.

This country is so F’d that we can’t have two competent, vibrant,  level headed people running for office.

It’s like if the NFL allowed Terry Bradshaw and Joe Namath suit up on Sunday’s to give the people a show. We’d all watch it, but we’d watch it for the wrong reasons

At least you can say it about Biden.

Everyone else that worships at the altar of anyone with a D next to their name just ignores these absolutely insane blurbs by Biden.

They also won't admit they'd start a [BLEEP] firestorm if there was a clip of Trump saying what Biden did at that brewery.

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One thing I’ll give Trump credit for….I think he at least knows how to put a construction hat on.

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One thing I’ll give Trump credit for….I think he at least knows how to put a construction hat on.

I don't know if Biden knew anything about the hat. It may have been done on purpose or most likely that was the only hat that didn't have a FJB sticker on it. It probably had one or something similar on the front. If you look at the flag, it doesn't look like it has all the stars.

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One thing I’ll give Trump credit for….I think he at least knows how to put a construction hat on.

I don't know if Biden knew anything about the hat. It may have been done on purpose or most likely that was the only hat that didn't have a FJB sticker on it. It probably had one or something similar on the front. If you look at the flag, it doesn't look like it has all the stars.

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Ehhh…you’re giving a man who gets lost in the Rose Garden and falls asleep during meetings too much credit.

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