(02-02-2024, 10:46 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:

(02-02-2024, 10:20 AM)Khan Artist Wrote: How is it hyperbole to suggest that Baalke was a failure with the 49ers?  Is it hyperbole to point out that he was directly responsible for the discord and collapse of the Harbaugh era there?

Is it hyperbole to say that this season was the result of his inability to properly evaluate the roster and fill the (very obvious) needs along the OL that we all saw?  How about that he was content to sit on his laurels with 9-8 both in the offseason and at the trade deadline?

Is it hyperbole to point out that many of the same reports about discord in the FO mirror his time in SF?  How hard would it be to believe that he's doing the exact same things he's done before?

This board has a very discernible cycle that happens where we're doom and gloom, followed by optimism, every season.  I'm usually guilty of it too.  This last offseason was the last one where we had justifiable hope, and that's virtually gone now.

Baalke is a millstone around this franchise's neck.  He has been since he was hired.  Not a single other team wants this guy.  This will be his last GM job in the NFL.  I'm not saying he hasn't drafted a few good players--he has, and specifically I think Travon Walker was the right pick in particular.  But I remain unconvinced that he will do the right things to get us anywhere as we squander Trevor's first five years.

If you want to try to put lipstick on the pig, more power to you.  Not like any of our thoughts or feelings will change anything anyway.

The NINERS???

What the [BLEEP] do the niners have to do with our situation??? Seriously! 

Harbaugh??? 

Are we comparing Pederson to Harbaugh???? Really?? 

I'm just giving honest perspective here and it doesn't suit your bias.
 We have zero evidence that there is anything going on between Khan/Baalke/Pederson that in any way resembles the popular interpretations of what happened in SF many years ago. 

Since Baalke arrived in Jax - he has made good moves, and he has made bad moves. 
The results have been much more positive than negative in the W/L column despite the doom and gloom you are stuck in. 
That is a factual statement. 

Baalke is on par with a dozen other middling managers around the league IMO, I don't really care if you all run him out of town. I just prefer to have a clear head about it instead of jumping on the tar and feather bandwagon due to bad information.

The 49ers of the past have a whole hell of a lot to do with our current situation when the same patterns begin to emerge.  And they are, whether or not you choose to accept it.  We were all pretty surprised when Baalke got a job here given his tenure there, and even more surprised when he was grandfathered the GM job after Caldwell was canned.  

I can't see it through my bias?  My bias is that I want the Jags to be good.  I am tired of being a laughingstock for the last 25ish years.  Everyone pretty much agreed that Baalke needed oversight and yet he managed to wriggle his way out of Khan hiring an EVP.  He drafted like we're a complete team, trading down excessively and then [BLEEP] himself by not being able to trade back up with his 30 sixth rounders.  The only thing worse than how he managed last year's draft is how arrogant and unlikeable he is.

I appreciate that you're trying to take a balanced perspective, but such a perspective requires ignoring the writing on the wall.  We'll see if Baalke manages to maneuver the cap hell he's created for us while fixing the OL and DL issues.  He's not off to a great start so far by pissing off Josh Allen.  But here's hoping.

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(02-02-2024, 11:04 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:

(02-02-2024, 10:41 AM)MojoKing Wrote: Wait there are actually Pro-Baalke ppl on the mb?

Come on y’all, dude says Fortner is fine and blames our failures on a passive aggressive “systematic” statement.

Dude got an ego the size of Thanos. Nobody should be falling on their laurels saying “9-8 is fine and y’all need to chill”

I haven't seen one single pro Baalke post around here. 

All I'm doing is trying to criticize his actual failures in Jax and recognize the stuff he got right without just parroting a bunch of slander on the guy that makes no sense. 

His biggest failure is not protecting a young QB after 3 drafts and offseasons.
He has acquired several linemen. 
But he got mostly the wrong guys. 

Probably a third of the league owners would have sent him packing this offseason based on that - and I'd be fine if our owner did too. 

I've been screaming for line help for 2 straight years now to the point I'm mocked for it around here. It pisses me off that he hasn't attained a functional line for this team yet. 

I also think he doubled down on some middling fixes to the IDL rather than striving for a real difference maker there. 

Lastly - I despise the positional value of his 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round selections last draft when considering our needs. 

Unfortunately - we don't know yet if any of those players may turn out good enough to make that grievance forgivable. (like the ETN pick) 

All the blather about SF is inconsequential to our situation and largely unverified speculation and hearsay anyway. 
I've got enough good and bad to judge the guy on without all that. 

The Fortner talk means nothing. I'll bet $500 Fortner has competition in camp that is 99% certain to take the start. 
And our o-line did in fact systematically fail.

I agree with all your points here.  Hopefully it works out.

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