First of all, I want to say this: there are a lot of non-black people on this forum that have expressed legitimate, sincere, meaningful and impactful disdain for the concept of innocent black people being hurt shot or killed. I want everyone to know how much that really touches me, on a very personal level. That fundamental level of basic empathy across racial lines is the light of hope not only for our country but the world as a whole. No matter how I might disagree with certain policy or tactics or methods of certain groups I don't want anything to diminish the truly real level of respect, admiration, and pride I take in the fact that so many people who don't look like me really and truly give a [BLEEP] and want to affect positive change.


Having said all that, when it comes to BLM and this current iteration of CIVIL RIGHTS leadership... I'm just not able. Part of me wishes that I could go along to get along, but I'm just not able.


First of all, a little history. Black LIBERATION MOVEMENT (or black liberation theology) has been around for a long time. This isn't really anything new. They just put a new name on it. When you look at the cover page of BLM they freely talk about the fact that they are trying to recreate the height of that movement that included the Black Panthers and other groups more commonly associated with the 60's and 70's.


My ultimate rejection of that ideology is based on one simple truth, the road to a post racial society has nothing to do with racial grievance or as I call it counter-sectarianism. Focusing on our cultural differences promotes divisions not inclusion. Devoting our energy focusing on the sins of our dead great grand parents doesn't promote a clear concise view of what a post racial society looks like or show anyone how to get there. The end result is to promote an environment where we don't focus on skin color.


Moreover, I think that BLM and the current constellation of so called community leaders are using the passions of generations past to scapegoat traditional society and advance a far left agenda as a distraction from certain failures of the far left. Case and point, what the hell does boycotting Israel have to do with holding police accountable? When you follow the money being funneled into these groups the picture becomes more clear.


We were promised a step towards a post racial society. We were promised better schools. We were promised more access to the American dream. 10 trillion dollars in debt later, 30 trillion dollars in federal expenditures during the term of the first black president later we still as a community don't think we have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of. But i'm supposed to get up and take to the streets because some idiot with a gun got himself shot and someone screams racism through a bullhorn?


You have elected officials in strongholds controlled by monolithic party rule for the better part of a century talking about structural inequalities like they have been held in political exile for the last half century. "Justice, equality, fairness" These are great bumper sticker slogans. They will get the attention of a lot of people. That being said, as a MAN I have to look at you and ask what the hell have you been doing while you were in office the last x number of years. If you have had control of an area for 80 years then why the hell are we chasing some political strawman?


Justice has a symbiotic relationship with truth. You can't have one without the other. You hear the calls for institutional racism as the motivation for police shootings but somehow the fact that Eric Garner, Freddie Gray, the guy in Minnesota, Louisiana, and the gentlemen in Milwaukee all had interactions with officers that were themselves minorities doesn't seem to make its way into the media. I wonder why that is?


Whites represent between 60 to 65% of all crimes committed. They represent between 60 to 65% of all interactions with police and they represent roughly between 60 to 65% of all police involved shootings. Blacks represent between 20 to 25% of all crimes committed, they represent roughly 20 to 25% of all interactions with police and they represent roughly 20 to 25% of all police involved shootings. Is that the pattern of the resurgent SS? When was the last time you heard someone from BLM shout those statistics after shouting for white people to get to the back of the line.


There are over 3 million interactions between citizens and police on any given day in this country, but the voices of the few have allowed a handful of incidents shape the attitudes of a nation. That's not a way forward, that's promoting hysteria.


Some of the most intelligent thoughtful and productive people I have ever met grew up in single parent homes. There are a lot of single mothers and older brothers/sisters stepping up and making things happen. I get that. I don't say this to step on anyone. Having said all that right now in the black community only 25% of all black kids have a father at home. That's not sustainable. Frankly, as a black man, that's pathetic. No matter what happens, tax cuts, infrastructure spending, stimulus, socialism, the second coming, if that number holds over the next 50 years then black America is going to be at the back of the line. Anyone or any group that claims to be advancing a way forward for the black community that doesn't start maintain and finish with the rebuilding of the black family (the foundation of any society) is a LIAR that just wants power money or their 15 minutes of fame. No matter how much they jump shout scream throw stuff or the like they ultimately won't make a damn bit of difference in the life of the average black person. Don't believe me? Just look at the last 50 years.

Sometimes when you want to move forward you have to start at the beginning…

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Very thoughtful post.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Can't get behind a hate group?



You're such a racist..

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BLM are pawns of the elite.  Sponsored by Soros and now the Ford Foundation is raising $100 million for them.  They meet with Obama, Loretta Lynch and the U.N.  They blocked the road to Heathrow airport last week and caused worldwide air traffic snarls.  They are the precise definition of state-sponsored terrorists.

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Thanks for sharing this. I appreciate it.

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Great post.

 

I do find it particularly interesting that the usual suspects on this board have pretty much left this discussion alone.  I wonder why?

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Translation - I'm a black man who feels uncomfortable with my identity so I distance myself from anything negative that is indicitivate of my race.


Plus, I have agreed to NOT become part of the solution to a problem with my community.

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

Translation - I'm a black man who feels uncomfortable with my identity so I distance myself from anything negative that is indicitivate of my race.


Plus, I have agreed to NOT become part of the solution to a problem with my community.

 

JJ's solution was first and foremost to end the fatherless household problem that is at the root of the problem with the black community. So if he married the mother of his children he has become part of his solution.


 

Are you married to the mother of your children?

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

JJ's solution was first and foremost to end the fatherless household problem that is at the root of the problem with the black community. So if he married the mother of his children he has become part of his solution.


Are you married to the mother of your children?

I am currently married to the mother of my 3 daughters for 7 years who is also my childhood sweetheart of 25


I was talking more in terms of doing work like me holding workshops with men who have children and showing them multiple leadership and parental guidance.


I also work with many community and church leaders on ways to help these same offenders obtain skill trade or advance their education beyond high school or community college.

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

I think jj expressed himself better than he typically does. But I question where those statistics on crime come from. While I support the idea of BLM, there seems to be inconsistent actions/attitudes/behavior depending on the region. I cannot endorse rhetoric which targets violence against cops. I do not think every action the group takes embraces the peaceful "satyagraha"-like protests MLK emulated Gandhi with. At the same time, I get the frustration and why it is boiling over. White drug dealers are significantly less likely to be arrested than black ones. White people are significantly less likely to be tased or killed in routine traffic stops than black people. Police officers who kill black citizens get off scot free time and again where their actions and methods go beyond what acceptable levels of training should dictate. It's easy to understand why black people are joining behind this cause. Until something changes, this will continue to fester. I do endorse the idea of mandatory body cameras for officers and feel outreach is required to bridge some of the gaps between cops and black communities. I know plenty of parents of black or mixed race kids who have a whole separate set of lessons and guidelines they give their kids to protect themselves when engaging police officers. That in itself tells me the issues which spawned BLM are at epidemic levels.

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Only a chump boos the home team!

I think jj expressed himself better than he typically does. But I question where those statistics on crime come from.

 

It's actually even worse for the white guy.


 

 

 

• For every 10,000 white people arrested for a violent crime, 38 white people were killed by police (± 2).
  
• For every 10,000 hispanic people arrested for a violent crime, 21 hispanic people were killed by police (± 3).
  
• For every 10,000 black people arrested for a violent crime, 21 black people were killed by police (± 2).
  

 

And violent crimes comprise 97% of the people killed by police.


 

Here's the whole analysis by a guy who's very good at statistical analysis.


 

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/07/18/a...ng-result/

 

If you don't believe he's credible, below it is a link to the raw data, so you can work the numbers yourself.


 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/...shootings/

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

Do people really think cops go out and start their day by thinking to themselves, "I'm gonna go cap me a minority today!"

 

It's the single most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of.

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What lies behind us, and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.







 

Do people really think cops go out and start their day by thinking to themselves, "I'm gonna go cap me a minority today!".

Well, if by "cap" you mean "eat"


And by "minority" you mean doughnut...


I kid. But seriously folks the entire BLM movement simply reeks like Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson or even worse - THE TEA PARTY. Poorly veiled motive under the guise of "representing the forgotten group"

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Do people really think cops go out and start their day by thinking to themselves, "I'm gonna go cap me a minority today!"

 

It's the single most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of.

 

Particularly if that cop is an uncle... err, minority.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Translation - I'm a black man who feels uncomfortable with my identity so I distance myself from anything negative that is indicitivate of my race.


Plus, I have agreed to NOT become part of the solution to a problem with my community.

 

Let me translate what you are saying here.

 

"I'm a black man who feels uncomfortable facing the truth as to why our community is in such a mess right now.  Rather than be part of the solution I would rather blame someone else."

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

When people refuse to see anything but race, that's all that will ever be.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Let me translate what you are saying here.


"I'm a black man who feels uncomfortable facing the truth as to why our community is in such a mess right now. Rather than be part of the solution I would rather blame someone else."

That was not what I was saying, but there are some out there with that kind of mentality.

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

Do people really think cops go out and start their day by thinking to themselves, "I'm gonna go cap me a minority today!"


It's the single most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of.

See JFC for that answer

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 Focusing on our cultural differences promotes divisions not inclusion. Devoting our energy focusing on the sins of our dead great grand parents doesn't promote a clear concise view of what a post racial society looks like or show anyone how to get there. The end result is to promote an environment where we don't focus on skin color.


Some of the most intelligent thoughtful and productive people I have ever met grew up in single parent homes. There are a lot of single mothers and older brothers/sisters stepping up and making things happen. I get that. I don't say this to step on anyone. Having said all that right now in the black community only 25% of all black kids have a father at home. That's not sustainable. Frankly, as a black man, that's pathetic. No matter what happens, tax cuts, infrastructure spending, stimulus, socialism, the second coming, if that number holds over the next 50 years then black America is going to be at the back of the line. Anyone or any group that claims to be advancing a way forward for the black community that doesn't start maintain and finish with the rebuilding of the black family (the foundation of any society) is a LIAR that just wants power money or their 15 minutes of fame. No matter how much they jump shout scream throw stuff or the like they ultimately won't make a damn bit of difference in the life of the average black person. Don't believe me? Just look at the last 50 years.

Sometimes when you want to move forward you have to start at the beginning…

 

Read your entire post, agree with some of it, disagree with other parts.  I can't agree more with the two passages highlighted above.

 

Black lives do matter, but Black CRIMES matter too, and the BLM movement never seems to recognize that. The disintegration of the Black family has been well documented and discussed, and has led to what seems to be a permanent underclass in our American society.  Better schools won't fix it, mass infusions of cash into the Black community won't fix it, making it harder for our police to do their jobs won't fix it.

 

And BLM, however well-intentioned won't fix it.  Only a change in the ideals of the inner city culture will.

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First of all, I want to say this: there are a lot of non-black people on this forum that have expressed legitimate, sincere, meaningful and impactful disdain for the concept of innocent black people being hurt shot or killed. I want everyone to know how much that really touches me, on a very personal level. That fundamental level of basic empathy across racial lines is the light of hope not only for our country but the world as a whole. No matter how I might disagree with certain policy or tactics or methods of certain groups I don't want anything to diminish the truly real level of respect, admiration, and pride I take in the fact that so many people who don't look like me really and truly give a [BAD WORD REMOVED] and want to affect positive change.


Having said all that, when it comes to BLM and this current iteration of CIVIL RIGHTS leadership... I'm just not able. Part of me wishes that I could go along to get along, but I'm just not able.


First of all, a little history. Black LIBERATION MOVEMENT (or black liberation theology) has been around for a long time. This isn't really anything new. They just put a new name on it. When you look at the cover page of BLM they freely talk about the fact that they are trying to recreate the height of that movement that included the Black Panthers and other groups more commonly associated with the 60's and 70's.


My ultimate rejection of that ideology is based on one simple truth, the road to a post racial society has nothing to do with racial grievance or as I call it counter-sectarianism. Focusing on our cultural differences promotes divisions not inclusion. Devoting our energy focusing on the sins of our dead great grand parents doesn't promote a clear concise view of what a post racial society looks like or show anyone how to get there. The end result is to promote an environment where we don't focus on skin color.


Moreover, I think that BLM and the current constellation of so called community leaders are using the passions of generations past to scapegoat traditional society and advance a far left agenda as a distraction from certain failures of the far left. Case and point, what the hell does boycotting Israel have to do with holding police accountable? When you follow the money being funneled into these groups the picture becomes more clear.


We were promised a step towards a post racial society. We were promised better schools. We were promised more access to the American dream. 10 trillion dollars in debt later, 30 trillion dollars in federal expenditures during the term of the first black president later we still as a community don't think we have a pot to [BAD WORD REMOVED] in or a window to throw it out of. But i'm supposed to get up and take to the streets because some idiot with a gun got himself shot and someone screams racism through a bullhorn?


You have elected officials in strongholds controlled by monolithic party rule for the better part of a century talking about structural inequalities like they have been held in political exile for the last half century. "Justice, equality, fairness" These are great bumper sticker slogans. They will get the attention of a lot of people. That being said, as a MAN I have to look at you and ask what the hell have you been doing while you were in office the last x number of years. If you have had control of an area for 80 years then why the hell are we chasing some political strawman?


Justice has a symbiotic relationship with truth. You can't have one without the other. You hear the calls for institutional racism as the motivation for police shootings but somehow the fact that Eric Garner, Freddie Gray, the guy in Minnesota, Louisiana, and the gentlemen in Milwaukee all had interactions with officers that were themselves minorities doesn't seem to make its way into the media. I wonder why that is?


Whites represent between 60 to 65% of all crimes committed. They represent between 60 to 65% of all interactions with police and they represent roughly between 60 to 65% of all police involved shootings. Blacks represent between 20 to 25% of all crimes committed, they represent roughly 20 to 25% of all interactions with police and they represent roughly 20 to 25% of all police involved shootings. Is that the pattern of the resurgent SS? When was the last time you heard someone from BLM shout those statistics after shouting for white people to get to the back of the line.


There are over 3 million interactions between citizens and police on any given day in this country, but the voices of the few have allowed a handful of incidents shape the attitudes of a nation. That's not a way forward, that's promoting hysteria.


Some of the most intelligent thoughtful and productive people I have ever met grew up in single parent homes. There are a lot of single mothers and older brothers/sisters stepping up and making things happen. I get that. I don't say this to step on anyone. Having said all that right now in the black community only 25% of all black kids have a father at home. That's not sustainable. Frankly, as a black man, that's pathetic. No matter what happens, tax cuts, infrastructure spending, stimulus, socialism, the second coming, if that number holds over the next 50 years then black America is going to be at the back of the line. Anyone or any group that claims to be advancing a way forward for the black community that doesn't start maintain and finish with the rebuilding of the black family (the foundation of any society) is a LIAR that just wants power money or their 15 minutes of fame. No matter how much they jump shout scream throw stuff or the like they ultimately won't make a damn bit of difference in the life of the average black person. Don't believe me? Just look at the last 50 years.

Sometimes when you want to move forward you have to start at the beginning…

Would you mind giving me a small history lesson on where you grew up, the schools you've attended, where you live now, the changes you've enacted in the community, and institutional racism you've witnessed and was told to you by your family members? I would like you to include your age as well, but you may find that objectionable.

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