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***jagibelieve*** · 06-09-2016, 05:25 PM

The topic title says it all and something that I've been ranting about for some time. This is our future folks. No more clapping, you need to use "jazz hands".

Is it just me, or has the left really lost it?

There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't.

**DragonFury** · 06-09-2016, 05:29 PM

Hang on, did you just use an article from The Sun as a reference? The bleeding Sun? The newspaper best known for having [BAD WORD REMOVED] on Page 3 and it's "coverage" of the Hillsborough Disaster? The newspaper that the New York Post looks down upon?

***FBT*** · 06-09-2016, 05:34 PM

I read this article earlier, and the entire time I was doing so, I kept thinking about my daughter who is getting ready to leave the fold for college. During the selection process, she had applied to several pretty exclusive schools that specialize in the field she plans to pursue. I was talking to her about her choices one day a few months back, and I noticed that there was a college that had been removed from her list, and I asked her why? Her response gave me hope that not all is lost.

She said that she really liked the school, and had it near the top of the list of options, but then she did some research, and found that this is one of those universities that has created one of the safe spaces where kids can go to avoid being offended. After seeing this, my kid removed the school from her list and moved on.

The notion that we must remove anything that we find offensive is ridiculous, but it's the new mantra. The special little snowflakes label for this generation is sadly chalked with truth. These kids have been raised in an environment where everyone gets a participation trophy, nobody knows the score, who won or lost, and where competition is squelched to avoid hurting anyone's feelings. When you read articles like this, or others where there's strong consideration being given to doing away with any sort of recognition for students who are valedictorians, salutatorians, or any of the [BLEEP] laude designations because it might hurt the feelings of those who weren't able to achieve these accomplishments, you realize that this is ultimately a culmination of all of the progressive nonsense that has neutered our society and paralyzed it over political correctness. I saw a term that perfectly describes the tolerant left in 2016: we're living in the era of the tyranny of tolerance.

Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

***FBT*** · 06-09-2016, 05:35 PM

Quote:Hang on, did you just use an article from The Sun as a reference? The bleeding Sun? The newspaper best known for having [BAD WORD REMOVED] on Page 3 and it's "coverage" of the Hillsborough Disaster? The newspaper that the New York Post looks down upon?

Was there something in that article that you dispute, or is it just easier to dismiss the source?

Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

***jagibelieve*** · 06-09-2016, 05:36 PM

Quote:Hang on, did you just use an article from The Sun as a reference? The bleeding Sun? The newspaper best known for having [BAD WORD REMOVED] on Page 3 and it's "coverage" of the Hillsborough Disaster? The newspaper that the New York Post looks down upon?

It's on the internet and is an opinion piece. Evidently the Brit writer of it "gets it".

Here's a challenge for you my undocumented moderator friend, how about commenting on the topic at hand?

There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't.

06-09-2016, 07:14 PM

Quote: I saw a term that perfectly describes the tolerant left in 2016: we're living in the era of the tyranny of tolerance.

The irony in all of this is that the meaning of the word "tolerance" in its purest sense, is to consider the opinions and views of people that you DO NOT agree with, but are willing to accept anyways. The hijacking of words and their definitions, along with concepts such as "safe-spaces" are eerily similar to "newspeak" and Orwellian terminology from 1984; if you think about it.

TJBender · 06-09-2016, 07:25 PM

TJBender · 06-09-2016, 07:27 PM

Rashean27Mathis · 06-09-2016, 07:34 PM

I swear the future these parents ( yes, I blame the parents ) anticipate is straight from that old Time Machine movie. Not sure which it was - but where they are all wearing white, sitting in a circle with flowers in their hair and singing songs. Nobody does anything of substance and nobody ever feels bad. Sound like heaven?

I think back to my days in school and realize it was just beginning with the PC, tell a teacher, have a conference, watch what words you use lunacy. And now they have gone full you-know-what...

EricC85 · 06-10-2016, 06:37 AM

It must be a regional thing, I didn't grow up without keeping score. My kids 5 year old football league kept score, heck we had playoffs ( for 5 year olds? lol). I've never seen a participation trophy, my kids have never seen a participation trophy. My daughter got the AB honor role this year, she got a trophy, a ribbon and a certificate, my son didn't he came home empty handed. He asked why Bella got all the attention, we told him he had to work harder in school.

certainly no snowflakes in Putnam county to damn hot they would melt.

**DragonFury** · 06-10-2016, 12:36 PM

Quote:Was there something in that article that you dispute, or is it just easier to dismiss the source?

Quote:It's on the internet and is an opinion piece. Evidently the Brit writer of it "gets it".

Here's a challenge for you my undocumented moderator friend, how about commenting on the topic at hand?

I dismiss the source because it's the freaking Sun newspaper, a publication famous for believing and reporting whatever they're told as long as fits the political narrative the paper is supporting at the time. As a whole, the Sun is the journalistic equivalent of a damp towel. But I'm nothing if not a crowd pleaser so let's comment on the article itself, my comments are in red:

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A top British thinker has claimed young women are in the grip of a “hysteria” which has made them unable to cope with being offended.

Claire Fox, head of a thinktank called the Institute of Ideas, has penned a coruscating critique of “Generation Snowflake”, the name given to a growing group of youngsters who “believe it’s their right to be protected from anything they might find unpalatable”She said British and American universities are dominated by cabals of young women who are dead set on banning anything they find remotely offensive.

First of all, let's talk about this think tank: a Google search leads to a few articles about the IoI and they main stance in those articles about the think tank is: no one really knows who or what they are. They do the fairly standard talk about free speech but they also seems to be opposed to any kind of green initiative, not surprising considering they draw funding from the likes of Shell. Secondly, what is immediately clear is that this entire article is based upon the opinion of this Claire Fox, the head of the think tank. So straight away it's presenting personal opinion as fact. We're not exactly starting off well here.

“It makes me sad that these teens and 20-somethings have become so fearful that they believe a dissenting opinion can pose such a serious threat,” Fox wrote in an article for Mail Online.

So she wrote an article for the Mail Online. The Mail, by the way, is a famously conservative newspaper generally considered to be the Chicken Little of British newspapers. If you like articles about how some new-fangled thing or the young people is going to ruin society then the Daily Mail is your kind of publication.

This hyper-sensitivity has prompted the University of East Anglia to outlaw sombreros in a Mexican restaurant and caused the National Union of Student to ban clapping as “as it might trigger trauma”, asking youngsters to use “jazz hands” instead.

Books containing troublesome material are now slapped with “trigger warnings”, whilst universities and student unions are declared “safe spaces” where young people should not have to encounter anything they disagree with.

Fox described astonishing scenes at an event set up to discuss whether the public outcry against footballer Ched Evans was “social justice or mob rule”.

The academic said her mostly female audience broke down in tears after she “dared suggest (as eminent feminists have before me) that rape wasn’t necessarily the worst thing a woman could experience”.

Fox added: “I expected robust discussion – not for them all to dissolve into outraged gasps of, ‘You can’t say that!’

“Their reaction shocked me. I take no pleasure in making teenagers cry, but it also brought home the contrast to previous generations of young people, who would have relished the chance to argue back.

Gotta love a good old "things were better in the olden days" argument. Mix it in with some thorough anecdotal evidence (the best kind of evidence) and you're all set to make sweeping generalizations about entire groups of people based on interactions with a tiny subset of those groups.

“It illustrated this generation’s almost belligerent sense of entitlement. They assume their emotional suffering takes precedence. Express a view they disagree with and you must immediately recant and apologise.”

Generation Snowflake has also created a social minefield for young boys and men, who risk being labelled “sex pests” for twanging a girl’s bra at school, Fox continued.

She said women were opting to stay at home and socialise on the internet due to overblown fears about predatory men.

“There is a strand of self-absorption and fragility running through this generation; all too ready to cry ‘victim’ at the first hint of a situation they don’t like,” Fox concluded.

“We need a younger generation that’s prepared to grow a backbone, go out into the world, take risks and make difficult decisions. Otherwise the future doesn’t bode well for any of us.”

Again; personal opinion presented as fact.

Claire Fox has penned a book about Generation Snowflake which is called I Find That Offensive and was published by Biteback in May

Quote:It must be a regional thing, I didn't grow up without keeping score. My kids 5 year old football league kept score, heck we had playoffs ( for 5 year olds? lol). I've never seen a participation trophy, my kids have never seen a participation trophy. My daughter got the AB honor role this year, she got a trophy, a ribbon and a certificate, my son didn't he came home empty handed. He asked why Bella got all the attention, we told him he had to work harder in school.

certainly no snowflakes in Putnam county to damn hot they would melt.

You don't see it happening because it's largely the territory of a very specific set of people. Of course there's been a nice little narrative about the supposed lack of quality of the current generation for a few years now and this fits nicely within that narrative so it gets hit with a nice big shiny spotlight. Of course when you start looking at the actual data there's a completely different story; the supposed lazy and feckless generation actually has the highest graduation rates in history, both for high school and college. Numbers for teen pregnancy, STD's, drug usage and the like are all down to record lows while numbers for productivity and education are all up.

Bon Jagley · 06-10-2016, 12:47 PM

BREAKING NEWS:

ADULTS HAVE NEGATIVE THINGS TO SAY ABOUT YOUNGER GENERATION

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**flsprtsgod** · 06-10-2016, 12:58 PM

“The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.”

“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

rollerjag · 06-10-2016, 02:21 PM

Quote:“The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.”

Said every grandparent ever...

If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley

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rollerjag · 06-10-2016, 02:30 PM

Quote:It must be a regional thing, I didn't grow up without keeping score. My kids 5 year old football league kept score, heck we had playoffs ( for 5 year olds? lol). I've never seen a participation trophy, my kids have never seen a participation trophy. My daughter got the AB honor role this year, she got a trophy, a ribbon and a certificate, my son didn't he came home empty handed. He asked why Bella got all the attention, we told him he had to work harder in school.

certainly no snowflakes in Putnam county to damn hot they would melt.

You need to get out of the compound more. You're missing a lot of things about which you should be needlessly concerned.

If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley

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boudreaumw · 06-10-2016, 02:33 PM

This just in. Old people think young people are just the worst. Sprinkle with insult and innuendo. Rinse and repeat every generation.

***jagibelieve*** · 06-10-2016, 02:47 PM

LOL, I figured that I would stir up the usual suspects in this forum. Let me applaud them by waving my "jazz hands" so that I don't "trigger any trauma" by clapping.

There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Bon Jagley · 06-10-2016, 03:03 PM

Quote:This just in. Old people think young people are just the worst. Sprinkle with insult and innuendo. Rinse and repeat every generation.

It's almost as if 40 year ago that Baby Boomers were labeled the "Me Generation".

Nope, not possible.

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boudreaumw · 06-10-2016, 03:40 PM

Quote:LOL, I figured that I would stir up the usual suspects in this forum. Let me applaud them by waving my "jazz hands" so that I don't "trigger any trauma" by clapping.

Yup, people not taking you seriously and calling you a broken record is really stirring people up. Rolleyes

**DragonFury** · 06-10-2016, 03:44 PM

Quote:Said every grandparent ever...

I was going to say I'm not sure whether that quote was from the 60's, the 20's or ancient Greece.