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Quote:As well as Pats fined 1M and lost 2016 1st round pick and 2017 4th.

Does that put Peyton Manning as the better QB in regards to the two since he never cheated & Brady has been caught?

Quote:Does that put Peyton Manning as the better QB in regards to the two since he never cheated & Brady has been caught?

It does make you wonder just if Mr. 6th Round Pick is as good as everyone thinks he is, or if he's just a product of a really great cheating machine.

Tom Brady and crew are scrambling now. They've launched their own website disputing the Wells report and some things discussed include:


The reason the ball boy refers to himself as the Deflator is because he's fat and trying to lose weight.


The reason for increased communication from Brady to the ball boy after the deflate gate story came out was because Tom Brady is just a nice guy and was offering his support.


And Florio is ripping them on PFT.

with our luck the suspension will be reduced or thrown out, so he gets to "prove himself" against us early in the season. yay

Think about it this way.  Let's say that after the AFC Championship Game, somebody from the Patriots actually tells NFL Security the truth, that yes, there was a plot to underinflate footballs for Tom Brady to use in games.  All parties involved come clear and the investigation is complete within 48 hours.  Let's say it was limited to Brady and the ball boys.  Would the NFL allow Tom Brady to play in the Super Bowl?  Nope.  The only reason they reached the Super Bowl is they cheated, and the only reason Brady was allowed to play in the Super Bowl is because the full extent of the cheating was not uncovered, due to the Patriots' stonewalling on the investigation, which continues unabated today. 

 

If I was Goodell, I would hear Brady's arbitration request myself, listen carefully to the arguments of the multi-million dollar legal Dream Team, then simply say, "The request for a reduced penalty is denied"  The matter is now ended.  I look forward to your return in Week 6, Tom".

Is he getting in trouble for deflating the balls, or for not working with the investigation?

Quote:Is he getting in trouble for deflating the balls, or for not working with the investigation?

I would say a bit of both.

Quote:It does make you wonder just if Mr. 6th Round Pick is as good as everyone thinks he is, or if he's just a product of a really great cheating machine.

 

C'mon now, he strafed the best defense in the NFL in the Super Bowl under what must've been pretty intense scrutiny. The way this usually works is they get called on something then they turn around and demolish some offensive record the next season.

Quote:Is he getting in trouble for deflating the balls, or for not working with the investigation?

 

Definitely the latter, the under inflation is really not that big a deal.

Here's my expectation.  Brady's suspension is going to be cut back to 2 games when the appeal is settled.  He'll make his 2015 debut vs. the Jaguars.  That suddenly becomes a game that will garner national attention. 

Quote:Here's my expectation. Brady's suspension is going to be cut back to 2 games when the appeal is settled. He'll make his 2015 debut vs. the Jaguars. That suddenly becomes a game that will garner national attention.

And if the Pats lose, everyone in the world and their brother will think they really truely have been dirty cheaters.

Quote:Here's my expectation. Brady's suspension is going to be cut back to 2 games when the appeal is settled. He'll make his 2015 debut vs. the Jaguars. That suddenly becomes a game that will garner national attention.

I don't see any reason to reduce the suspension other than to appease the butt hurt Boston fans. Arthur Blank made a comment saying that the reason the penalties were so harsh was because the Pats decided to play hardball instead of owning the issue. As you can recall, when the Falcons we're accused of piping in crowd noise they acknowledged the issue, admitted wrongdoing, and fired the "scapegoat". They were only docked a 5th round pick and a fine.


My feeling is that a similar outcome would've occurred with the Pats had Brady acknowledged and admitted wrong doing and owned it, and if Kraft didn't make the investigation more difficult than necessary. They probably would've lost just a mid round draft pick and Brady gets a 1 game suspension.

Quote:I don't see any reason to reduce the suspension other than to appease the butt hurt Boston fans. Arthur Blank made a comment saying that the reason the penalties were so harsh was because the Pats decided to play hardball instead of owning the issue. As you can recall, when the Falcons we're accused of piping in crowd noise they acknowledged the issue, admitted wrongdoing, and fired the "scapegoat". They were only docked a 5th round pick and a fine.


My feeling is that a similar outcome would've occurred with the Pats had Brady acknowledged and admitted wrong doing and owned it, and if Kraft didn't make the investigation more difficult than necessary. They probably would've lost just a mid round draft pick and Brady gets a 1 game suspension.

That's EXACTLY why they'll reduce it.  If the penalty isn't reduced on appeal, it'll end up in a federal courtroom.  I don't think the league wants to see that happen.  Especially with a player who is still fairly popular league-wide.

 

Look for the Pats team penalties to be reduced as well. 

Quote:That's EXACTLY why they'll reduce it.  If the penalty isn't reduced on appeal, it'll end up in a federal courtroom.  I don't think the league wants to see that happen.  Especially with a player who is still fairly popular league-wide.

 

Look for the Pats team penalties to be reduced as well. 

I doubt the NFL is worried about a court action over a penalty; quite the opposite, what better opportunity to prove it's committed to protecting the integrity of the game?  This isn't the first time New England has been caught cheating.  Brady's popularity, coupled with the lack of cooperation with the investigation, on both his part and the team's, is exactly the reason the league shouldn't back down.  I think in this instance Goodell will have the full support of 31 owners, none of whom will have any sympathy for the Patriots.

Quote:That's EXACTLY why they'll reduce it. If the penalty isn't reduced on appeal, it'll end up in a federal courtroom. I don't think the league wants to see that happen. Especially with a player who is still fairly popular league-wide.


Look for the Pats team penalties to be reduced as well.

Brady doesn't have the balls (pun intended) to take it to court. In court he runs the risk of having his phone records brought under subpoena and the two ball boys would without a doubt be called to stand to testify under oath. Everything he's been pushing to keep under wraps would be brought to light and it's a battle he won't win.

Quote:There is no correlation with Brady cheating. Either he did or he didn't. My only point is that the evidence against Brady is only "more probable than not" according to the conclusion of the Wells report, while Anderson's actions that may have put a team at a disadvantage are 100% known.

There was no Wells report at the time. You can't judge his actions based on information revealed after the fact.

 

All Anderson knew was there was an accusation by the other team. You don't disrupt a game based on what was at the time an unsubstantiated claim. He gave the pats the opportunity to abide by the rules and they didn't. That is 100% their own fault.

 

When the time was appropriate, he followed up on the claim and found it to have merit. 

 

He gave the pats enough rope to hang themselves. If he had stepped in beforehand, the pats would have gotten a minor slap on the wrist and gone on about their cheating ways.

Quote:Brady doesn't have the balls (pun intended) to take it to court. In court he runs the risk of having his phone records brought under subpoena and the two ball boys would without a doubt be called to stand to testify under oath. Everything he's been pushing to keep under wraps would be brought to light and it's a battle he won't win.

You're right, if they go to court, they're just digging a deeper hole.  Having selective amnesia and stonewalling a league investigator is one thing, committing perjury on a witness stand makes it a whole new ballgame.  

Quote:It does make you wonder just if Mr. 6th Round Pick is as good as everyone thinks he is, or if he's just a product of a really great cheating machine.

Ahahahahahaha.I need to bring some peanut butter to these threads to go with all the Jelly.

Quote:You're right, if they go to court, they're just digging a deeper hole.  Having selective amnesia and stonewalling a league investigator is one thing, committing perjury on a witness stand makes it a whole new ballgame.  

I never understood why people put so much stock in being "under oath." If they can't prove you lied you can lie under oath all you want.

Quote:There was no Wells report at the time. You can't judge his actions based on information revealed after the fact.

 

All Anderson knew was there was an accusation by the other team. You don't disrupt a game based on what was at the time an unsubstantiated claim. He gave the pats the opportunity to abide by the rules and they didn't. That is 100% their own fault.

 

When the time was appropriate, he followed up on the claim and found it to have merit. 

 

He gave the pats enough rope to hang themselves. If he had stepped in beforehand, the pats would have gotten a minor slap on the wrist and gone on about their cheating ways.

 

He also knew that the balls went missing.


 

It's not his job to give a cheater enough rope. It's his job to make sure that the game is fair. "Sorry Mr. Irsay, but we'll let your team play at a disadvantage, and maybe miss out on the Superbowl because of it, just so that we can gather some additional evidence against the Pats." This is not to mention that measuring low pressure minutes after measuring the correct pressure would have been a smoking gun. Measuring low pressure on balls that were out in the cold for over an hour proved nothing.