Quote:No one's saying it would be a fair fight
It's not a fight that would happen. I find it hard to believe that the Military so filled to brim with 'Murica loving red blooded souls as it is, would turn on the citizens of the country in such an egregious manner. Maybe I just have more faith in Americans, even you crazy anarchists :woot:
Quote:It's not a fight that would happen. I find it hard to believe that the Military so filled to brim with 'Murica loving red blooded souls as it is, would turn on the citizens of the country in such an egregious manner. Maybe I just have more faith in Americans, even you crazy anarchists :woot:
It would be the UN enforcing any type of confiscation here in the states.
I got something waiting for the U.N. if they ever try it
Quote:It would be the UN enforcing any type of confiscation here in the states.
I know anything can happen, but when has any effective UN force been assembled that didn't include considerable involvement from our military?
But, hey, just because I'm not paranoid doesn't mean "they" aren't out to get me.
Quote:Now you lost me....
we're getting off into a lot of what if's, but IF there was ever a gun confiscation the only way it would happen would be a treaty signed with the UN and then a ruling by the Supreme Court that said treaty supersedes the constitutional right to bear arms.
The threat of a gun confiscations is WAAAYYYYYY off, the fight right now is to simply prevent a registration essentially keeping that ball from ever rolling.
Quote:I know anything can happen, but when has any effective UN force been assembled that didn't include considerable involvement from our military?
But, hey, just because I'm not paranoid doesn't mean "they" aren't out to get me.
Look I'm not saying the UN is coming tomorrow I'm simply talking about how it would possibly happen if that day where to ever come. Honestly it would take a collapse of the dollar and a meltdown of epic proportions on our shores to see the UN occupying state side. That's a very unlikely scenario, but he asked how would a gun confiscation even work since we all pretty much admit the military isn't going to come and take them.
Now some things like the Jade Helm operation and the Army Manual saying constitutionalists and specifically libertarians are the greatest domestic threat only help to stir that conspiracy pot but I choose to believe most of it is just talk. But I do have that handy bunker for a reason...........just in case............
Quote:Let that tag on the back of your vehicle expire and see what happens to your private property.
Absolutely nothing, as long as you only use your vehicle on your private property (meant to get to this earlier)
Quote:Absolutely nothing, as long as you only use your vehicle on your private property (meant to get to this earlier)
just Google expired tags on private property, there's story after story of private property being repossessed by the state for expired tags on vehicles. Many counties have laws against parking a disabled vehicle or a non-tagged vehicle in your driveway, most apartment complexes require your vehicle to be tagged.
If you let the registration on your vehicle expire and don't surrender the plates you can and most likely will have your vehicle towed by the city/county at some point regardless of where you "hide" it.
Now there's a difference in gun registration and car registration but you asked if registration leads to confiscation. My point was a list by the state on who owns what property gives them the ability to monitor, control and reposes said property when they see fit. When it comes to vehicles fine, when it comes to my firearms that's not something I want them to monitor, control or attempt to reposes.
Quote:we're getting off into a lot of what if's, but IF there was ever a gun confiscation the only way it would happen would be a treaty signed with the UN and then a ruling by the Supreme Court that said treaty supersedes the constitutional right to bear arms.
The threat of a gun confiscations is WAAAYYYYYY off, the fight right now is to simply prevent a registration essentially keeping that ball from ever rolling.
Quote:Look I'm not saying the UN is coming tomorrow I'm simply talking about how it would possibly happen if that day where to ever come. Honestly it would take a collapse of the dollar and a meltdown of epic proportions on our shores to see the UN occupying state side. That's a very unlikely scenario, but he asked how would a gun confiscation even work since we all pretty much admit the military isn't going to come and take them.
Now some things like the Jade Helm operation and the Army Manual saying constitutionalists and specifically libertarians are the greatest domestic threat only help to stir that conspiracy pot but I choose to believe most of it is just talk. But I do have that handy bunker for a reason...........just in case............
If's and but's and maybe's are a terrible way to frame and argument.
Here let me show you.
What if, and when all the gun nuts decided they have had enough with the gays and the academics and wage guerilla warfare with the aid of the military that they have infiltrated over many years? Clearly guns should be banned. It's not stopping the war it's just stopping that ball from getting rolling.
Quote:It's not a fight that would happen. I find it hard to believe that the Military so filled to brim with 'Murica loving red blooded souls as it is, would turn on the citizens of the country in such an egregious manner. Maybe I just have more faith in Americans, even you crazy anarchists :woot:
It already happened here, with Murica loving souls fighting on both sides.
Quote:just Google expired tags on private property, there's story after story of private property being repossessed by the state for expired tags on vehicles. Many counties have laws against parking a disabled vehicle or a non-tagged vehicle in your driveway, most apartment complexes require your vehicle to be tagged.
If you let the registration on your vehicle expire and don't surrender the plates you can and most likely will have your vehicle towed by the city/county at some point regardless of where you "hide" it.
Now there's a difference in gun registration and car registration but you asked if registration leads to confiscation. My point was a list by the state on who owns what property gives them the ability to monitor, control and reposes said property when they see fit. When it comes to vehicles fine, when it comes to my firearms that's not something I want them to monitor, control or attempt to reposes.
What about licenses? Does licenses lead to confiscation too? For example, requiring people to pass a background check and safety test to have a gun license. Or does Licenses lead to registration, which leads to confiscation?
Quote:What about licenses? Does licenses lead to confiscation too? For example, requiring people to pass a background check and safety test to have a gun license. Or does Licenses lead to registration, which leads to confiscation?
Yes, a suspended license leads to impound. Any thing that gives government power to take from you will be used to take from you eventually.
Quote:If Guns prevented crimes, wouldn't America (the country with the largest concentration of guns by far) have the lowest crime rate? That seems like common sense to me. Ergo, guns don't prevent crimes.
I disagree with your opinion (obviously). I don't think that's how that argument holds water. Guns routinely prevent crimes. I've saved my own life by simply using my gun as a visible deterrent. I've heard countless stories of the same. Since those are use-of-force incidents, then they aren't reported for statistical purposes, and no one can use them to defend the argument for guns. It doesn't, however, change that they save many peoples' lives on a daily basis from people that are unlawfully carrying their own.
Quote:The idea that guns protect us from tyranny is a bit funny. I mean the government has drones. So good luck dealing with those with guns if the government were to ever decide to go tyrannical on us.
I think the point is that 300+ million Americans with guns should scare any government from trying to forcibly oppress them. Isn't there a quote somewhere where a foreign leader questioned invading America because gun ownership was so high?
Quote:If you let the registration on your vehicle expire and don't surrender the plates you can and most likely will have your vehicle towed by the city/county at some point regardless of where you "hide" it.
While much of what you said is true, this part is not entirely true. It isn't routine to impound a vehicle for expired license plates (on private property). Apartment complexes impound the vehicle since its on THEIR property, and the officers are usually courtesy officers working FOR the apartment complex. That's a civil matter between the apartment complex and vehicle owner. Police impounding vehicles on private property usually require some outstanding circumstance that hasn't been mentioned here. Otherwise, it isn't a common practice for any department... even when there are a few morons breaking the rules and making it look like it is.
Quote:I think the point is that 300+ million Americans with guns should scare any government from trying to forcibly oppress them. Isn't there a quote somewhere where a foreign leader questioned invading America because gun ownership was so high?
<b>Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto</b>
<i>"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."</i>
I'm curious. Does that statistic take into consideration the fact that Great Britain utilized the military in policing Northern Ireland? How many people died as a result of that police effort? Obviously not many unless we're supposed to boil it all down to the UK being Great Britain only, right?
Quote:I'm curious. Does that statistic take into consideration the fact that Great Britain utilized the military in policing Northern Ireland? How many people died as a result of that police effort? Obviously not many unless we're supposed to boil it all down to the UK being Great Britain only, right?
I do not believe so. If anyone has that information please provide.
Quote:What about licenses? Does licenses lead to confiscation too? For example, requiring people to pass a background check and safety test to have a gun license. Or does Licenses lead to registration, which leads to confiscation?
We already have concealed carry license are you talking about a license to simply own a firearm? They would compromise of a list of gun owners which is essentially the same thing as a registration.