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Pirates blew one last night. Gave a up a late 3 run lead to lose by one.

Kris Bryant, no HR yet but certainly proving he belongs.

Quote:Kris Bryant, no HR yet but certainly proving he belongs.

 

I don't think anyone questioned he belongs, but I do think people had unrealistic expectations for the kid.

Quote:I don't think anyone questioned he belongs, but I do think people had unrealistic expectations for the kid.

I never thought he'd never live up to the hype and unrealistic expectations based on my experience with Polanco. It's a different world.

Quote:I don't think anyone questioned he belongs, but I do think people had unrealistic expectations for the kid.

 

One of the many facets of Kris Bryant's game that I like is he seems to have the type of make up in which he will thrive in pressure situations.   Unrealistic expectations are a concern with most rookies.   With Bryant,  he probably welcomes the unrealistic expectations. 

Quote:One of the many facets of Kris Bryant's game that I like is he seems to have the type of make up in which he will thrive in pressure situations. Unrealistic expectations are a concern with most rookies. With Bryant, he probably welcomes the unrealistic expectations.

He sure didn't let the three Ks the first night bother him. The kid just looks cooooool at the plate.

Quote:He sure didn't let the three Ks the first night bother him. The kid just looks cooooool at the plate.

 

 Agreed!

 

 Kris Bryant reminds me of a QB who throws an interception that's returned for a TD.   Then he comes out the next drive to lead his team to a TD,  in a manner like the interception was just a speed bump along the way. 

Quote:One of the many facets of Kris Bryant's game that I like is he seems to have the type of make up in which he will thrive in pressure situations.   Unrealistic expectations are a concern with most rookies.   With Bryant,  he probably welcomes the unrealistic expectations. 

 

There is a difference between welcoming unrealistic expectations and delivering on them. There were people touting Bryant as the LeBron James of rookies, which is premature. I can safely say that I don't see Kris Bryant ever being the best player in the game during his career.

Quote:There is a difference between welcoming unrealistic expectations and delivering on them. There were people touting Bryant as the LeBron James of rookies, which is premature. I can safely say that I don't see Kris Bryant ever being the best player in the game during his career.

Who said he was going to be best in the game during is career and where is this Lebron James comparison coming from? I sure don't see it when I Google it.

Quote:Who said he was going to be best in the game during is career and where is this Lebron James comparison coming from? I sure don't see it when I Google it.

 

I post on other forums where he was being heralded on that level. One poster specifically said he is the LeBron James of prospects. I consider those expectations to be too high.

Quote:I post on other forums where he was being heralded on that level. One poster specifically said he is the LeBron James of prospects. I consider those expectations to be too high.

So some poster on some message board....


Never mind.

Quote:There is a difference between welcoming unrealistic expectations and delivering on them. There were people touting Bryant as the LeBron James of rookies, which is premature. I can safely say that I don't see Kris Bryant ever being the best player in the game during his career.

 

Kris Bryant was rated the # 1 prospect in 2015 by Baseball America and the # 2 prospect by MLB.Com.  While I don't think Bryant will be quite on Mike Trout's all around level,  realistic expectations should be for Bryant to be a top 5 MLB player sometime in the next 3 to 4 seasons.   As long as Bryant remains relatively healthy,  he should develop into a foundation type of player.

Quote:So some poster on some message board....


Never mind.

 

What's your issue? I post on Rotoworld and on Rivals, and both boards have people with unrealistic expectations for Bryant. That is all that I said..... that there are people with unrealistic expectations for Bryant. You need to stop being so stop being so combative with everything I post.

Quote:What's your issue? I post on Rotoworld and on Rivals, and both boards have people with unrealistic expectations for Bryant. That is all that I said..... that there are people with unrealistic expectations for Bryant. You need to stop being so stop being so combative with everything I post.

Some guy on some message board makes a statement and you reference it here like it means something. Sorry, but so what. A lot of people on a lot of boards make some really outlandish statements and they aren't worth referencing.

Quote:Kris Bryant was rated the # 1 prospect in 2015 by Baseball America and the # 2 prospect by MLB.Com.  While I don't think Bryant will be quite on Mike Trout's all around level,  realistic expectations should be for Bryant to be a top 5 MLB player sometime in the next 3 to 4 seasons.   As long as Bryant remains relatively healthy,  he should develop into a foundation type of player.

 

See, this is something that I think is unrealistic to expect. I realize that Bryant is an elite prospect with what looks to be a promising future, but it's not that easy to become a top 5 player at the next level. Take a look at a recent list of Baseball America top prospects:

 

2013 Jurickson Profar

2012 Bryce Harper

2011 Bryce Harper

2010 Jason Heyward

2009 Matt Wieters

2008 Jay Bruce

2007 Daisuke Matsuzaka

2006 Delmon Young

 

Bryce Harper is the only player on the list with a realistic shot at being a top 5 player at any point in his career and I don't even forsee that happening. Being a top prospect does not guarantee being one of the best players in Major League Baseball.

Quote:Some guy on some message board makes a statement and you reference it here like it means something. Sorry, but so what. A lot of people on a lot of boards make some really outlandish statements and they aren't worth referencing.

 

And you continue being combative. Not surprised.

 

All I said was that there are people with unrealistically high expectations for Kris Bryant, because there are. D6 just gave expectations that I consider unrealistically high, so I hope that suffices as a reference point.

Quote:See, this is something that I think is unrealistic to expect. I realize that Bryant is an elite prospect with what looks to be a promising future, but it's not that easy to become a top 5 player at the next level. Take a look at a recent list of Baseball America top prospects:

 

2013 Jurickson Profar

2012 Bryce Harper

2011 Bryce Harper

2010 Jason Heyward

2009 Matt Wieters

2008 Jay Bruce

2007 Daisuke Matsuzaka

2006 Delmon Young

 

Bryce Harper is the only player on the list with a realistic shot at being a top 5 player at any point in his career and I don't even forsee that happening. Being a top prospect does not guarantee being one of the best players in Major League Baseball.

 

 

  In the cases of Jason Heyward and Jurickson Profar,   injuries have been a major factor in their progress.  

 

  While being rated first or second on a MLB prospect list doesn't guarantee huge success as you illustrated,  I think it's fair to have very high expectations for the player.  Using the Jaguars as an example in the NFL,  when Blake Bortles was drafted with pick # 3 last year,  I'm confident that the mindset of Dave Caldwell is Bortles should develop into a Franchise QB. 

Quote:  In the cases of Jason Heyward and Jurickson Profar,   injuries have been a major factor in their progress.  

 

  While being rated first or second on a MLB prospect list doesn't guarantee huge success as you illustrated,  I think it's fair to have very high expectations for the player.  Using the Jaguars as an example in the NFL,  when Blake Bortles was drafted with pick # 3 last year,  I'm confident that the mindset of Dave Caldwell is Bortles should develop into a Franchise QB. 

 

Come on, D6. Heyward has 2,500+ career at bats. You are lying to yourself if you still think there is top 5 MLB potential for him. Profar is really the only player on that list you can put an asterisk by. Maybe Harper, too, because I still think he has some potential in him.

 

And yes, I have nothing against expecting a promising career for someone touted as highly as Bryant. I even said so myself. I just feel that expecting Bryant to be on of the best 5 players in Major League Baseball is way too high. There is a huge difference between having a successful career and being one 5 best players in the league. People are spoiled by the recent success of Mike Trout and don't stop to consider that Trout was the exception, not the rule.

Quote:Come on, D6. Heyward has 2,500+ career at bats. You are lying to yourself if you still think there is top 5 MLB potential for him. Profar is really the only player on that list you can put an asterisk by. Maybe Harper, too, because I still think he has some potential in him.

 

And yes, I have nothing against expecting a promising career for someone touted as highly as Bryant. I even said so myself. I just feel that expecting Bryant to be on of the best 5 players in Major League Baseball is way too high. There is a huge difference between having a successful career and being one 5 best players in the league. People are spoiled by the recent success of Mike Trout and don't stop to consider that Trout was the exception, not the rule.

 

Jason Heyward wasn't on a top 5 path before he was beaned.   Yet,  there are players who take longer to reach their full potential.  At the very least,  Heyward's career was altered considerably.

 

Considering what Kris Bryant displayed in the Minor Leagues,  Bryant and the Cubs would be selling themselves short if expectations for Bryant weren't him eventually becoming a top 5 player.   Like with all things,  time will tell if Bryant reaches that level.   But the ability and the intangibles are there.  Bryant seems exactly what the Cubs franchise needs to eventually finally overcome their generations of falling short.     If the Cubs don't at least get to a World Series during Bryant's time with them,  I believe it won't be because Bryant failed to hold up his end of the bargain.

I think you are confusing ceiling with expectations. When I discuss a players "expectations", I'm discussing the most likely expected outcome. The possibility is there for him to be a Mike Trout, Miguel Cabrera, etc. level player, but I don't think that should be considered the most likely expected outcome. How many of the past #1 overall prospects that I listed ever came close to Trout/Cabrera level?