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Quote:possible, but the priority needs to be on us getting our fiscal house in order.

 

 

not our problem, let Africa fix Africa, let Europe fix Europe, and so on...........

 

Therefore ensuring it will eventually become our problem, and likely a bigger one than what it would be had we intervened sooner.

Quote:Therefore ensuring it will eventually become our problem, and likely a bigger one than what it would be had we intervened sooner.

 

We've had near 70 years of intervening, doesn't seem to be helping to much. There's still wars, poverty, racism, genocide, slavery, and all the other evils of the world. Only difference is we've sacrificed our own security to address the worlds ill's. No nation can do that forever, and it's a big contributing reason why we're in the financial mess we're in.

Quote:We've had near 70 years of intervening, doesn't seem to be helping to much. There's still wars, poverty, racism, genocide, slavery, and all the other evils of the world. Only difference is we've sacrificed our own security to address the worlds ill's. No nation can do that forever, and it's a big contributing reason why we're in the financial mess we're in.

Providing humanitarian aid has not done that. Providing weapons and other military/monetary aid has done those things. 

Quote:Providing humanitarian aid has not done that. Providing weapons and other military/monetary aid has done those things. 

 

That's not my point, we've been actively involved in sending aid to every crisis across the globe for the better part of half a century. Yet there are still crises all over the globe, there always will be. By sending aid regardless of our ability to afford it we only compromise our own security.

Quote:not our problem, let Africa fix Africa, let Europe fix Europe, and so on...........

 

Hmmm...seems like that line of thinking did not quite work out well for us in the 1930's.

Quote:That's not my point, we've been actively involved in sending aid to every crisis across the globe for the better part of half a century. Yet there are still crises all over the globe, there always will be. By sending aid regardless of our ability to afford it we only compromise our own security.

 

Well sure I can agree with that but cuts can be made that would allow things like that to be more feasible. 

 

The ebola example was a good one. If we don't help out and or use the expertise of the CDC to help combat and stamp out outbreaks they will make it over here. And then it's an even bigger problem. 

You are more likely to be struck by lightning while winning the lottery than be killed by a terrorist.


Toddlers killed more Americans than terrorists did last year.


But continue to be scared. It's the whole point, after all.

Quote:You are more likely to be struck by lightning while winning the lottery than be killed by a terrorist.


Toddlers killed more Americans than terrorists did last year.


But continue to be scared. It's the whole point, after all.

That reminds me of this:

Quote:That reminds me of this:

Left Shark is love

Left Shark is life

Quote:You have a lot of integrity to admit that. Respect.

Eh.... I can own up to my mistakes. But thanks.

Quote:We've had near 70 years of intervening, doesn't seem to be helping to much. There's still wars, poverty, racism, genocide, slavery, and all the other evils of the world. Only difference is we've sacrificed our own security to address the worlds ill's. No nation can do that forever, and it's a big contributing reason why we're in the financial mess we're in.

 

I was talking about humanitarian aid, and you're wrong, it has helped. Unfortunately, no amount of humanitarian aid will prevent calamities from happening. Regardless, we can afford humanitarian aid. I'm with you on most military intervention, except in cases like WWII.

Quote:I was talking about humanitarian aid, and you're wrong, it has helped. Unfortunately, no amount of humanitarian aid will prevent calamities from happening. Regardless, we can afford humanitarian aid. I'm with you on most military intervention, except in cases like WWII.

We where attacked in WWII of course war was justifiable

Quote:We where attacked in WWII of course war was justifiable

I don't think anyone will deny the need to engage when war when it is justified. Problem is though people have a very funny meaning of the word justified sometimes. Some people just want us to be in wars because defense contractors need money.

Quote:I don't think anyone will deny the need to engage when war when it is justified. Problem is though people have a very funny meaning of the word justified sometimes. Some people just want us to be in wars because defense contractors need money.

My problem is often with preemptive measures, attack because a risk may rise one day. Sure it might stop some threats before they start but history has shown it ends up with us policing the world and that's just insanity. Besides we usually just end up making a bigger mess trying to fix a small mess.


Call me an isolationist but I'm all for closing foreign bases bring our troops home and building our defense system especially a bolisitic missiles defense system.

Quote:My problem is often with preemptive measures, attack because a risk may rise one day. Sure it might stop some threats before they start but history has shown it ends up with us policing the world and that's just insanity. Besides we usually just end up making a bigger mess trying to fix a small mess.


Call me an isolationist but I'm all for closing foreign bases bring our troops home and building our defense system especially a bolisitic missiles defense system.

I think some are strategic and important to keep but yeah I all for closing the majority and bringing them home or shifting them to actually important locations. Think of the budgetary savings alone!

Quote:My problem is often with preemptive measures, attack because a risk may rise one day. Sure it might stop some threats before they start but history has shown it ends up with us policing the world and that's just insanity. Besides we usually just end up making a bigger mess trying to fix a small mess.


Call me an isolationist but I'm all for closing foreign bases bring our troops home and building our defense system especially a bolisitic missiles defense system.

 

I'm pretty sure we're pretty safe tbh.  Don't we have the Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense system?  

 

Isolationism isn't feasible anymore tbh.  But I agree we shouldn't be preemptively attacking because of a risk of an attack.  

Quote:I'm pretty sure we're pretty safe tbh. Don't we have the Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense system?


Isolationism isn't feasible anymore tbh. But I agree we shouldn't be preemptively attacking because of a risk of an attack.

To be fair when Eric says isolationism, he means, nonintervention except when we are threatened. Not existentially but actually threatened.


For the most part I agree. Having forces literally everywhere in the world went stop terror attacks here. We are generally speaking, as safe as can be.

Quote:Having forces literally everywhere in the world went stop terror attacks here. We are generally speaking, as safe as can be.

 

And yet you don't see that having ready response forces around the world contributes significantly to the safe state we enjoy here, including keeping our sources of energy flowing from a very hostile region of the world. It's like you intentionally miss the big picture when you say things like that.

Quote:And yet you don't see that having ready response forces around the world contributes significantly to the safe state we enjoy here, including keeping our sources of energy flowing from a very hostile region of the world. It's like you intentionally miss the big picture when you say things like that.

Oh I get resources are a big part of it but we have more than enough natural resources we could sustain ourselves energy wise for the next 100 years.


As for readiness that's a two edge sword, we also create blowback by maintaining a presence in those hostile regions.

Quote:And yet you don't see that having ready response forces around the world contributes significantly to the safe state we enjoy here, including keeping our sources of energy flowing from a very hostile region of the world. It's like you intentionally miss the big picture when you say things like that.

 

With statements like the above it's like you want to have an empire. Bases everywhere makes us safe at home? That's one reason half the world hates us can't you see that? Fund alternate energy R&D, make actual alliances, stop toppling governments. It's like you don't understand this is a world much different from 30 years ago and refuse to move into the future until you are dragged there kicking and screaming.